Re: native packages? (Re: Introducting Debian Trends: historical graphs about Debian packaging practices, and "packages smells")

2019-04-26 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 02:27:58PM +, Holger Levsen wrote: > > > > > > I see no point whatsoever in 3.0 (native). > > > > What's the point/advantage of native packages? > > > No need to make a separate orig tarball. > > the irony here is that native packages also require an upstream tarball,

Re: native packages? (Re: Introducting Debian Trends: historical graphs about Debian packaging practices, and "packages smells")

2019-04-26 Thread Holger Levsen
On Sat, Apr 13, 2019 at 03:13:17PM +0200, Alf Gaida wrote: > > > > > I see no point whatsoever in 3.0 (native). > > > What's the point/advantage of native packages? > > No need to make a separate orig tarball. the irony here is that native packages also require an upstream tarball, it's just that

Re: native packages? (Re: Introducting Debian Trends: historical graphs about Debian packaging practices, and "packages smells")

2019-04-18 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Marco" == Marco d'Itri writes: Marco> On Apr 15, Sam Hartman wrote: >> However if my sources are in git, git is the definitive format >> for thinking about things, and the dsc I'm producing is only for >> the convenience of the archive, I don't want to deal with an >>

Re: native packages? (Re: Introducting Debian Trends: historical graphs about Debian packaging practices, and "packages smells")

2019-04-15 Thread Simon Richter
Hi, On 15.04.19 21:23, Marco d'Itri wrote: > Generating an upstream tarball in this case is still useful because this > way we do not need to upload and store forever the full source archive > every time that something changes only in the packaging. That, and upstream tarballs generated with

Re: native packages? (Re: Introducting Debian Trends: historical graphs about Debian packaging practices, and "packages smells")

2019-04-15 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Apr 15, Sam Hartman wrote: > However if my sources are in git, git is the definitive format for > thinking about things, and the dsc I'm producing is only for the > convenience of the archive, I don't want to deal with an upstream > tarball. Generating an upstream tarball in this case is

Re: native packages? (Re: Introducting Debian Trends: historical graphs about Debian packaging practices, and "packages smells")

2019-04-15 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Holger" == Holger Levsen writes: Holger> On Sat, Apr 13, 2019 at 01:48:01PM +0100, Simon McVittie wrote: >> On Sat, 13 Apr 2019 at 10:04:10 +, Holger Levsen wrote: >> > I see no point whatsoever in 3.0 (native). The main advantage >> of 3.0 (native) is that it makes

Re: native packages? (Re: Introducting Debian Trends: historical graphs about Debian packaging practices, and "packages smells")

2019-04-13 Thread Alf Gaida
On 13.04.19 15:07, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: On Sat, Apr 13, 2019 at 12:59:19PM +, Holger Levsen wrote: I see no point whatsoever in 3.0 (native). What's the point/advantage of native packages? No need to make a separate orig tarball. Can't agree more, there are places where 3.0

Re: native packages? (Re: Introducting Debian Trends: historical graphs about Debian packaging practices, and "packages smells")

2019-04-13 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Sat, Apr 13, 2019 at 12:59:19PM +, Holger Levsen wrote: > > > I see no point whatsoever in 3.0 (native). > > The main advantage of 3.0 (native) is that it makes it explicit that > > the package is deliberately native [...] > > ok, sorry, I ment to say: I see no point whatsoever in native

Re: native packages? (Re: Introducting Debian Trends: historical graphs about Debian packaging practices, and "packages smells")

2019-04-13 Thread Holger Levsen
On Sat, Apr 13, 2019 at 01:48:01PM +0100, Simon McVittie wrote: > On Sat, 13 Apr 2019 at 10:04:10 +, Holger Levsen wrote: > > I see no point whatsoever in 3.0 (native). > The main advantage of 3.0 (native) is that it makes it explicit that > the package is deliberately native [...] ok, sorry,

Re: native packages? (Re: Introducting Debian Trends: historical graphs about Debian packaging practices, and "packages smells")

2019-04-13 Thread Simon McVittie
On Sat, 13 Apr 2019 at 10:04:10 +, Holger Levsen wrote: > I see no point whatsoever in 3.0 (native). The main advantage of 3.0 (native) is that it makes it explicit that the package is deliberately native, whereas a 1.0 native package is indistinguishable from a package that was intended to

native packages? (Re: Introducting Debian Trends: historical graphs about Debian packaging practices, and "packages smells")

2019-04-13 Thread Holger Levsen
On Sat, Apr 13, 2019 at 11:42:38AM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > Well you could switch to 3.0 (native). I see no point whatsoever in 3.0 (native). IMO 3.0 (quilt) is sensible and 1.0 too, whether native or not. *If* native package in todays world are still sensible... > > But you don't