Accepted qmail-run 2.0.3 (source) into unstable

2020-05-13 Thread Debian FTP Masters
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Format: 1.8 Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 18:20:41 -0300 Source: qmail-run Architecture: source Version: 2.0.3 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Debian QA Group Changed-By: Marcelo Vinicius Campos Amedi Changes: qmail-run (2.0.3

Accepted qmail-run 2.0.2+nmu1 (source all) into unstable

2015-02-23 Thread Andreas Beckmann
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 23:52:51 +0100 Source: qmail-run Binary: qmail-run Architecture: source all Version: 2.0.2+nmu1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Gerrit Pape p...@smarden.org Changed-By: Andreas Beckmann

Accepted qmail 1.03-49.3 (source all)

2012-02-11 Thread Christian Perrier
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2012 08:37:00 +0100 Source: qmail Binary: qmail-src Architecture: source all Version: 1.03-49.3 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Jon Marler jmar...@debian.org Changed-By: Christian Perrier bubu

Re: Bug#510415: Call for votes on Bug#510415: tech-ctte: Qmail inclusion (or not) in Debian

2011-04-01 Thread Don Armstrong
On Fri, 01 Apr 2011, Mark Hymers wrote: On Tue, 29, Mar, 2011 at 08:14:21AM -0700, Don Armstrong spoke thus.. What is the current status of this? I've just checked the packages, and given the constraints of #510415, I have accepted netqmail, dot-forward, fastforward, qmail-run and qmail

Accepted qmail-run 2.0.2 (source all)

2011-04-01 Thread Gerrit Pape
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2010 00:25:27 + Source: qmail-run Binary: qmail-run Architecture: source all Version: 2.0.2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Gerrit Pape p...@smarden.org Changed-By: Gerrit Pape p...@smarden.org

Accepted qmail-tools 0.1.0 (source all)

2011-04-01 Thread Gerrit Pape
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 22:00:41 + Source: qmail-tools Binary: qmail-tools Architecture: source all Version: 0.1.0 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Gerrit Pape p...@smarden.org Changed-By: Gerrit Pape p...@smarden.org

Accepted qmail 1.03-49.2 (source all)

2010-10-19 Thread Christian Perrier
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 22:24:00 +0200 Source: qmail Binary: qmail-src Architecture: source all Version: 1.03-49.2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Jon Marler jmar...@debian.org Changed-By: Christian Perrier bubu

Accepted qmail 1.03-49 (source all)

2010-09-08 Thread Jon Marler
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2010 10:31:07 -0400 Source: qmail Binary: qmail-src Architecture: source all Version: 1.03-49 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Jon Marler jmar...@debian.org Changed-By: Jon Marler jmar...@debian.org

Accepted qmail 1.03-48 (source all)

2010-03-14 Thread Jon Marler
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 18:54:30 -0500 Source: qmail Binary: qmail-src Architecture: source all Version: 1.03-48 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Jon Marler jmar...@debian.org Changed-By: Jon Marler jmar...@debian.org

Re: Bug#457318: qmail and related packages in NEW

2008-12-07 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
to force the spammer to slow down, thank you very much. I even endorse greylisting (with a whitelist) nowadays, but you'll never see me endorsing QMail until it is patched. Concerning the delayed delivery notifications, there's an efficient way to immediately reject those in the SMTP connection, see

Re: Bug#457318: qmail and related packages in NEW

2008-12-06 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Gerrit Pape said: Finally, just as not supporting VRFY, not rejecting in the SMTP conversation makes it harder for the spammers to sort out bad recipient addresses, and so to use their resources even more efficiently. That is so stunningly wrong an argument I can't

Re: Bug#457318: qmail and related packages in NEW

2008-12-05 Thread Gerrit Pape
in the SMTP connection, they're trivial to enable. I personally use mailfront instead of qmail-smtpd. mailfront, already available in Debian/main, has this functionality and can also act perfectly as a replacement. If it doesn't, then IMO, at this day and age, a MTA sending backscatter spam doesn't

Re: Bug#457318: qmail and related packages in NEW

2008-12-04 Thread Gerrit Pape
On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 11:29:13AM +0100, Bjørn Mork wrote: Gerrit Pape [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, I'm quite surprised how the inclusion of qmail and related packages into sid is handled, or rather not handled, by the ftpmasters. I downloaded the netqmail source from http

Re: Bug#457318: qmail and related packages in NEW

2008-12-04 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
Gerrit Pape [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've yet to be pointed to a grave or serious bug in the packages pending in NEW, otherwise I see no reason why they shouldn't be processed and pass NEW. I completely agree with this well written post Does the package in NEW fix the well known backscatter

Re: Bug#457318: qmail and related packages in NEW

2008-12-04 Thread Florian Weimer
* Gerrit Pape: Right now, upstream doesn't completely agree with Andree's list of bugs. Out of curiosity, does netqmail fix at least the delayed bounce problem? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: qmail and related packages in NEW

2008-12-02 Thread Florian Weimer
not restricted to qmail (Bernstein's DNS code suffers from that to a higher degree, and it's in the archive). Well, do you think the size of ipv4 addresses ever will change? :) Ask the poor guys who wrote IPv6 patches for djbdns. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe

Re: qmail and related packages in NEW

2008-12-02 Thread Bjørn Mork
Moritz Muehlenhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We've discussed this at the Security Team meeting in Essen and we don't have a problem with qmail being included in Lenny. You are aware of upstream's attitude towards security holes? There are lots of assumptions like nobody will ever do E.g

Re: Bug#457318: qmail and related packages in NEW

2008-12-02 Thread Bjørn Mork
Gerrit Pape [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, I'm quite surprised how the inclusion of qmail and related packages into sid is handled, or rather not handled, by the ftpmasters. I downloaded the netqmail source from http://dbn.smarden.org/sid/ and looked briefly at it, to see if most of the well

Re: qmail and related packages in NEW

2008-12-02 Thread Russ Allbery
Bjørn Mork [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Moritz Muehlenhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We've discussed this at the Security Team meeting in Essen and we don't have a problem with qmail being included in Lenny. You are aware of upstream's attitude towards security holes? There are lots

Re: qmail and related packages in NEW

2008-12-01 Thread David Kaufman
Hi Moritz, Neil Williams wrote: It isn't just about choosing not to install it, it causes work for the various teams in Debian - security, release, QA. We've discussed this at the Security Team meeting in Essen and we don't have a problem with qmail being included in Lenny. Cheers

Re: qmail and related packages in NEW

2008-12-01 Thread David Kaufman
this at the Security Team meeting in Essen and we don't have a problem with qmail being included in Lenny. Cheers, Moritz Thanks, Moritz! That's great news from the Security Team. So, the Security Team has no problem supporting qmail. Does anyone from the Release Team or the QA Teams have

Re: qmail and related packages in NEW

2008-12-01 Thread David Kaufman
Neil Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joerg Jaspert wrote: Aside from these technical - and possibly fixable - problems, we (as in the ftpteam) have discussed the issue, and we are all of the opinion that qmail should die, and not receive support from Debian. As such we *STRONGLY* ask you

Re: qmail and related packages in NEW

2008-12-01 Thread David Kaufman
this at the Security Team meeting in Essen and we don't have a problem with qmail being included in Lenny. Cheers, Moritz Thanks, Moritz! That's great news from the Security Team. So, the Security Team has no problem supporting qmail. Does anyone from the Release Team or the QA Teams have any

Re: qmail and related packages in NEW

2008-12-01 Thread Florian Weimer
* Joerg Jaspert: On 11583 March 1977, Gerrit Pape wrote: As i got asked for the complete text of the rejection mail, as the thread start only had a partial quote, here it is. Thanks! First - the packaging is nowhere near the standard Debian aspires to in the archive: Qmail is an MTA

Re: qmail and related packages in NEW

2008-12-01 Thread Florian Weimer
* David Kaufman: The Security Team has responded that it has no objections to adding qmail to Lenny. Just to clarify, there are no objections with regard to security support. This does NOT mean that we want to see qmail in the archive while there are other open issues (as outlined

Re: qmail and related packages in NEW

2008-12-01 Thread Luk Claes
David Kaufman wrote: Hi Moritz, Neil Williams wrote: It isn't just about choosing not to install it, it causes work for the various teams in Debian - security, release, QA. We've discussed this at the Security Team meeting in Essen and we don't have a problem with qmail being included

Re: qmail and related packages in NEW

2008-12-01 Thread Gerrit Pape
On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 03:33:43PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: * Joerg Jaspert: First - the packaging is nowhere near the standard Debian aspires to in the archive: Qmail is an MTA and as such should follow Debian Policy (for example Section 11.6). It's therefore not a very good start

Re: qmail and related packages in NEW

2008-12-01 Thread Gerrit Pape
, I took the advise from ftpmasters and reconsidered re-uploading the packages. After two months, and receiving several mails from users asking about the progress of the inclusion into Debian main after qmail was placed into the public domain, I re-read some public mails like http://bugs.debian.org

Re: qmail and related packages in NEW

2008-12-01 Thread Florian Weimer
* Gerrit Pape: On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 03:33:43PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: * Joerg Jaspert: First - the packaging is nowhere near the standard Debian aspires to in the archive: Qmail is an MTA and as such should follow Debian Policy (for example Section 11.6). It's therefore

Re: qmail and related packages in NEW

2008-12-01 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote: Personally, I'm more concerned about manual constant propagation in some parts of the code base (like using the integer literal 4 for the size of an IPv4 address), and similar coding style issues. But this is certainly not restricted to qmail

Re: qmail and related packages in NEW

2008-11-30 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Nov 30, Joerg Jaspert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Qmail is dead upstream and requires a whole set of patches to even begin to work in the manner expected of a modern MTA. Given this, the fact that this means there is also no upstream security support, and the fact that Debian already

Re: qmail and related packages in NEW

2008-11-30 Thread Mikhail Gusarov
having an official well-maintained package (and the one you Md evalued clearly is not) is the least evil. [speaking as Plesk ex-developer] It won't help, Plesk's qmail is patched in various ways, including Plesk-specific patches, so version provided by Debian won't help. -- pgpe4tUun6pCk.pgp

Re: qmail and related packages in NEW

2008-11-29 Thread Moritz Muehlenhoff
Neil Williams wrote: It isn't just about choosing not to install it, it causes work for the various teams in Debian - security, release, QA.=20 We've discussed this at the Security Team meeting in Essen and we don't have a problem with qmail being included in Lenny. Cheers, Moritz

Re: what about a unofficial public community repo? (was: Re: qmail and related packages in NEW)

2008-11-29 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Romain Beauxis [EMAIL PROTECTED] (29/11/2008): Or mentors.debian.net ? Source-only. Mraw, KiBi. signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: what about a unofficial public community repo? (was: Re: qmail and related packages in NEW)

2008-11-29 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Miriam Ruiz dijo [Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 02:37:16AM +0100]: DDs would be discouraged from participating since they should be supporting packages/etc within Debian instead. I'm not exactly sure about this. I have quite a lot of packages that I made for my own usage but I don't have time or

Re: what about a unofficial public community repo? (was: Re: qmail and related packages in NEW)

2008-11-29 Thread Gunnar Wolf
William Pitcock dijo [Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 06:57:37PM -0600]: (...) What I propose is something more along the lines of Gentoo's sunrise overlay... a repository that anyone can get upload access to provided that they understand basic Debian policy and have established that they will be

Re: what about a unofficial public community repo? (was: Re: qmail and related packages in NEW)

2008-11-29 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Raphael Geissert dijo [Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 10:05:23PM -0600]: William Pitcock wrote: [...] The ideal way to handle this would be to have a single repository. PPAs solve a different problem, which is giving contributors and developers a playground to publish their in-progress packages.

Re: what about a unofficial public community repo? (was: Re: qmail and related packages in NEW)

2008-11-29 Thread Raphael Geissert
Bas Zoetekouw wrote: For completeness sake: QA does not thow out orphanes packages just for being orphaned. If they are orphaned, RC-buggy, hardly used, and alternatives are available, only then they are candidates for removal. You missed Debconf8's BoF I guess. Bast regards, Bas.

Re: qmail and related packages in NEW

2008-11-29 Thread Joerg Jaspert
-1_powerpc.changes REJECTED To: Gerrit Pape [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Debian Installer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 16:19:30 +0200 Hi Maintainer, rejected, for various reasons (this mail applies to all of the various qmail and qmail related packages currently in NEW, namely netqmail, qmail-run, qmail

Re: what about a unofficial public community repo? (was: Re: qmail and related packages in NEW)

2008-11-29 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2008-11-28 15:42:34, schrieb William Pitcock: I think issues like these call for an unsupported repository outside of Debian, but publicized within the community as an unofficial repository for things like qmail, packages unwanted in Debian proper for the time being, etc. http

qmail and related packages in NEW

2008-11-28 Thread Gerrit Pape
Hi, I'm quite surprised how the inclusion of qmail and related packages into sid is handled, or rather not handled, by the ftpmasters. Within a time-frame of six months I received exactly one rejection mail in response to two uploads of the packages, a reply to the rejection mail, and three mails

Re: qmail and related packages in NEW

2008-11-28 Thread Neil Williams
On Fri, 28 Nov 2008 18:12:42 + Gerrit Pape [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'm quite surprised how the inclusion of qmail and related packages into sid is handled, or rather not handled, by the ftpmasters. Just because a package is free software does not mean it automatically qualifies

what about a unofficial public community repo? (was: Re: qmail and related packages in NEW)

2008-11-28 Thread William Pitcock
Hi, On Fri, 2008-11-28 at 20:51 +0100, Neil Williams wrote: Can you advise me on how to get out of that dilemma? Stop trying to get qmail into Debian? or Take on upstream development of qmail and solve all the problems (whether qmail will then be recognisable compared to the existing

Re: what about a unofficial public community repo? (was: Re: qmail and related packages in NEW)

2008-11-28 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Friday 28 November 2008 22:42, William Pitcock wrote: I think issues like these call for an unsupported repository outside of Debian, but publicized within the community as an unofficial repository for things like qmail, packages unwanted in Debian proper for the time being, etc

Re: what about a unofficial public community repo? (was: Re: qmail and related packages in NEW)

2008-11-28 Thread William Pitcock
Hi, On Fri, 2008-11-28 at 23:57 +0100, Holger Levsen wrote: Hi, On Friday 28 November 2008 22:42, William Pitcock wrote: I think issues like these call for an unsupported repository outside of Debian, but publicized within the community as an unofficial repository for things like qmail

Re: what about a unofficial public community repo? (was: Re: qmail and related packages in NEW)

2008-11-28 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Saturday 29 November 2008 01:57, William Pitcock wrote: What I propose is something more along the lines of Gentoo's sunrise overlay... a repository that anyone can get upload access to provided that they understand basic Debian policy and have established that they will be

Re: what about a unofficial public community repo? (was: Re: qmail and related packages in NEW)

2008-11-28 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 6:42 AM, William Pitcock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think issues like these call for an unsupported repository outside of Debian, but publicized within the community as an unofficial repository for things like qmail, packages unwanted in Debian proper for the time

Re: what about a unofficial public community repo? (was: Re: qmail and related packages in NEW)

2008-11-28 Thread Miriam Ruiz
2008/11/29 Paul Wise [EMAIL PROTECTED]: DDs would be discouraged from participating since they should be supporting packages/etc within Debian instead. I'm not exactly sure about this. I have quite a lot of packages that I made for my own usage but I don't have time or interest in maintaining

Re: what about a unofficial public community repo? (was: Re: qmail and related packages in NEW)

2008-11-28 Thread Evgeni Golov
On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 10:28:58 +0900 Paul Wise wrote: Infrastructure should be similarly supported and hosted by mainly non-DDs; buildds, porting machines and so on. Actually I was thinking about something similar yesterday. Asa non-DD it is very hard to reproduce bugs from arches you don't own,

Re: what about a unofficial public community repo? (was: Re: qmail and related packages in NEW)

2008-11-28 Thread William Pitcock
Hi, On Sat, 2008-11-29 at 02:19 +0100, Holger Levsen wrote: Hi, On Saturday 29 November 2008 01:57, William Pitcock wrote: What I propose is something more along the lines of Gentoo's sunrise overlay... a repository that anyone can get upload access to provided that they understand

Re: what about a unofficial public community repo? (was: Re: qmail and related packages in NEW)

2008-11-28 Thread Romain Beauxis
Le Friday 28 November 2008 23:57:09 Holger Levsen, vous avez écrit : On Friday 28 November 2008 22:42, William Pitcock wrote: I think issues like these call for an unsupported repository outside of Debian, but publicized within the community as an unofficial repository for things like qmail

Re: what about a unofficial public community repo? (was: Re: qmail and related packages in NEW)

2008-11-28 Thread Raphael Geissert
William Pitcock wrote: [...] The ideal way to handle this would be to have a single repository. PPAs solve a different problem, which is giving contributors and developers a playground to publish their in-progress packages. This is more about getting packages to users in an efficient way,

Accepted qmail 1.03-47 (source all)

2008-09-13 Thread Jon Marler
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 13:58:36 -0400 Source: qmail Binary: qmail-src Architecture: source all Version: 1.03-47 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Jon Marler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Jon Marler [EMAIL PROTECTED

Accepted qmail 1.03-46 (source all)

2008-09-01 Thread Jon Marler
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 15:26:55 -0400 Source: qmail Binary: qmail-src Architecture: source all Version: 1.03-46 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Jon Marler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Jon Marler [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Bug#457318: ITP: qmail -- a secure, reliable, efficient, simple message transfer agent

2008-06-24 Thread Gerrit Pape
Hi, packages are available through http://smarden.org/pape/Debian/sid.html Regards, Gerrit. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

djbdns, daemontools, ucspi-tcp, qmail

2008-01-05 Thread Jan Mojzis
Hello, there are djbdns-installer, daemontools-installer, ucspi-tcp-src, qmail-src package, but for now is not necesary to have this -installer packages. Licence for this software changed http://cr.yp.to/distributors.html; Packages are in public domain, including distributing modified versions

Re: djbdns, daemontools, ucspi-tcp, qmail

2008-01-05 Thread Andreas Metzler
Jan Mojzis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: there are djbdns-installer, daemontools-installer, ucspi-tcp-src, qmail-src package, but for now is not necesary to have this -installer packages. Licence for this software changed http://cr.yp.to/distributors.html; Packages are in public domain, including

Re: Bug#457318: ITP: qmail -- a secure, reliable, efficient, simple message transfer agent

2007-12-27 Thread Marc Haber
On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 20:36:54 +0100, Andreas Metzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do not think that is really necessary. I doubt there are lots of new qmail installations nowadays by people that are not aready well versed in its configuration. Newbies ask which MTA to use, are lured in by qmail

Re: Bug#457318: ITP: qmail -- a secure, reliable, efficient, simple message transfer agent

2007-12-27 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Dec 27, 2007 at 04:09:13PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 20:36:54 +0100, Andreas Metzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do not think that is really necessary. I doubt there are lots of new qmail installations nowadays by people that are not aready well versed in its

Re: Bug#457318: ITP: qmail -- a secure, reliable, ...

2007-12-26 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
Ron Johnson wrote: On Monday December 24 2007 12:34:07 Marco d'Itri wrote: On Dec 24, Turbo Fredriksson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] I have Postfix crash more often on my home machine (~ 10 mails / 24h - using an smarthost) than Qmail do on my main mailservers (~ 10k mails / 24h). Maybe

Re: Bug#457318: ITP: qmail -- a secure, reliable, efficient, simple message transfer agent

2007-12-25 Thread Josselin Mouette
On lun, 2007-12-24 at 07:29 +0100, Turbo Fredriksson wrote: You should really get your facts straigt before feeding the FUD! Please don’t scare us like that! I first thought that Jörg Schilling was back on the list. Qmail is the most secure MTA out there. It's slick, and quite well written

Re: Bug#457318: ITP: qmail -- a secure, reliable, efficient, simple message transfer agent

2007-12-25 Thread Pierre Habouzit
, some questions we could ask is: * is it possible to provide a sane default qmail configuration (the basic 4 that exim and postfix provides in Debian seems to be a minimum) ; * does it supports ipv6 (non ipv6 ready software that isn't ipv4 ready should not _enter_ Debian nowadays

Re: Bug#457318: ITP: qmail -- a secure, reliable, efficient, simple message transfer agent

2007-12-25 Thread Pierre Habouzit
points where we have to ask if we _should_ support some kind of software, some questions we could ask is: * is it possible to provide a sane default qmail configuration (the basic 4 that exim and postfix provides in Debian seems to be a minimum) ; * does it supports ipv6 (non ipv6 ready

Re: Bug#457318: ITP: qmail -- a secure, reliable, efficient, simple message transfer agent

2007-12-25 Thread Andreas Metzler
_should_ support some kind of software, some questions we could ask is: * is it possible to provide a sane default qmail configuration (the basic 4 that exim and postfix provides in Debian seems to be a minimum) ; I do not think that is really necessary. I doubt there are lots of new

Re: Bug#457318: ITP: qmail -- a secure, reliable, efficient, simple message transfer agent

2007-12-24 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
Turbo Fredriksson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: reject at SMTP etc (and claims that this makes Qmail wide open for spams is rubish - it's only if/when configured incorrectly that this becomes a problem) How can you configure the QMail to send error messages only to non-forged sender addresses? I

Re: Bug#457318: ITP: qmail -- a secure, reliable, efficient, simple message transfer agent

2007-12-24 Thread Florian Weimer
* Turbo Fredriksson: (and claims that this makes Qmail wide open for spams is rubish - it's only if/when configured incorrectly that this becomes a problem) How can you configure DJB qmail so that it rejects mail for non-existing local mailboxes at SMTP dialog time? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email

Re: Bug#457318: ITP: qmail -- a secure, reliable, efficient, simple message transfer agent

2007-12-24 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Sun, Dec 23, 2007 at 07:12:09PM +0200, Kalle Kivimaa wrote: Miros/law Baran [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ah, but it's been there, once. I remember that my first Debian installation included in the default setup all the accounts used by qmail (if not the qmail itself). OK, that's possible

Re: Bug#457318: ITP: qmail -- a secure, reliable, efficient, simple message transfer agent

2007-12-24 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew M.A. Cater) writes: Smail?? [Debian mail agent pre-exim]. Don't think we've _ever_ distributed qmail, just as we stopped distributing Pine once the licence restrictions became clear for similar reasons. You are making me think back to 1996-1997 here :) qmail-src

Re: Bug#457318: ITP: qmail -- a secure, reliable, efficient, simple message transfer agent

2007-12-24 Thread Julian Mehnle
Kalle Kivimaa wrote: in my opinion the new [qmail] license is DFSG-free. There ain't no new license. DJB simply retracted his copyright. As of now, anyone can copy the qmail 1.03 code, make modifications at will, claim copyright for those modifications, and distribute the whole under any

Re: Bug#457318: ITP: qmail -- a secure, reliable, efficient, simple message transfer agent

2007-12-24 Thread Steinar H. Gunderson
On Mon, Dec 24, 2007 at 07:29:58AM +0100, Turbo Fredriksson wrote: So, right, the argument we're left with is, it's quick and it doesn't have many apparent security flaws. It have NO security flaws (especially not if patching it with the most obvious patches). “No security flaws! And even

Re: Bug#457318: ITP: qmail -- a secure, reliable, efficient, simple message transfer agent

2007-12-24 Thread Toni Mueller
Hi, On Mon, 24.12.2007 at 07:29:58 +0100, Turbo Fredriksson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - all that send receipt on acceptance/delivery, reject at SMTP etc (and claims that this makes Qmail wide open for spams is rubish - it's only if/when configured incorrectly that this becomes a problem

Re: Bug#457318: ITP: qmail -- a secure, reliable, efficient, simple message transfer agent

2007-12-24 Thread Toni Mueller
Hi Florian, On Mon, 24.12.2007 at 09:41:22 +0100, Florian Weimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Turbo Fredriksson: (and claims that this makes Qmail wide open for spams is rubish - it's only if/when configured incorrectly that this becomes a problem) How can you configure DJB qmail so

Re: Bug#457318: ITP: qmail -- a secure, reliable, efficient, simple message transfer agent

2007-12-24 Thread brian m. carlson
to avoid sending backscatter, since it is trivial to forge SMTP and RFC2822 information. Then they never have to send an NDR to anyone but their own users, preventing backscatter. While I personally dislike qmail because of this problem, and because it is gratuitously incompatible with every

Re: Bug#457318: ITP: qmail -- a secure, reliable, efficient, simple message transfer agent

2007-12-24 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Dec 24, Turbo Fredriksson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now, come on!! Get a fng reality check! Have you ever even USED Qmail?! And actually READ it's code!? Yes to both. http://www.starbsd.org/misc/why-not-qmail.png I rest my case. I have Postfix crash more often on my home machine (~ 10

Re: Bug#457318: ITP: qmail -- a secure, reliable, efficient, simple message transfer agent

2007-12-24 Thread Russ Allbery
Julian Mehnle [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kalle Kivimaa wrote: in my opinion the new [qmail] license is DFSG-free. There ain't no new license. DJB simply retracted his copyright. As of now, anyone can copy the qmail 1.03 code, make modifications at will, claim copyright for those

Re: Bug#457318: ITP: qmail -- a secure, reliable, efficient, simple message transfer agent

2007-12-24 Thread Russ Allbery
Kalle Kivimaa [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Turbo Fredriksson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: reject at SMTP etc (and claims that this makes Qmail wide open for spams is rubish - it's only if/when configured incorrectly that this becomes a problem) qmail-smtpd in djb's stock distribution

Re: Bug#457318: ITP: qmail -- a secure, reliable, efficient, simple message transfer agent

2007-12-24 Thread Joey Hess
Miros/law Baran wrote: Ah, but it's been there, once. I remember that my first Debian installation included in the default setup all the accounts used by qmail (if not the qmail itself). That's becaused qmail needs/needed hardcoded uids, so we created them. Later this changed to reserving

Re: Bug#457318: ITP: qmail -- a secure, reliable, ...

2007-12-24 Thread Ron Johnson
On Monday December 24 2007 12:34:07 Marco d'Itri wrote: On Dec 24, Turbo Fredriksson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] I have Postfix crash more often on my home machine (~ 10 mails / 24h - using an smarthost) than Qmail do on my main mailservers (~ 10k mails / 24h). Maybe the problem

Re: Bug#457318: ITP: qmail -- a secure, reliable, efficient, simple message transfer agent

2007-12-23 Thread Turbo Fredriksson
Quoting Leo \costela\ Antunes [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Please note that I don't personally like Qmail either, but I still think we should (but don't *have* to) provide it, if possible (I don't know what's the outcome of the putting it in public domain story). Why was it removed from Debian GNU

Re: Bug#457318: ITP: qmail -- a secure, reliable, efficient, simple message transfer agent

2007-12-23 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
Turbo Fredriksson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why was it removed from Debian GNU/Linux in the first place!? It's never been in Debian. The source package is in non-free, as the license didn't permit binary distribution. See e.g. http://packages.debian.org/etch/qmail-src for some explanation

Re: Bug#457318: ITP: qmail -- a secure, reliable, efficient, simple message transfer agent

2007-12-23 Thread Miros/law Baran
://packages.debian.org/etch/qmail-src for some explanation. Ah, but it's been there, once. I remember that my first Debian installation included in the default setup all the accounts used by qmail (if not the qmail itself). Jubal (...am I using Debian that long?) -- [ Miroslaw L Baran | jabber id

Re: Bug#457318: ITP: qmail -- a secure, reliable, efficient, simple message transfer agent

2007-12-23 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
Miros/law Baran [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ah, but it's been there, once. I remember that my first Debian installation included in the default setup all the accounts used by qmail (if not the qmail itself). OK, that's possible, I can only remember back to about 2000, when there was only

Re: Bug#457318: ITP: qmail -- a secure, reliable, efficient, simple message transfer agent

2007-12-23 Thread Turbo Fredriksson
://packages.debian.org/etch/qmail-src for some explanation. So what changed? Did Bernstein change his licence!? And can't the qmail-src maintainer just upload a binary package? I fail to understand this ITP, and all the objections - wether or not we SHOULD is not the point as I see it. It's a matter of CAN we

Re: Bug#457318: ITP: qmail -- a secure, reliable, efficient, simple message transfer agent

2007-12-23 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
Turbo Fredriksson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So what changed? Did Bernstein change his licence!? And can't the qmail-src maintainer just upload a binary package? Yes, the license has been changed, QMail is now fully distributable and modifiable. Dunno if this ITP should actually be considered

Re: Bug#457318: ITP: qmail -- a secure, reliable, efficient, simple message transfer agent

2007-12-23 Thread Toni Mueller
Hi, On Fri, 21.12.2007 at 11:14:01 -0800, Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is the version that is proposed to be packaged patched to reject mail at the SMTP level for unknown users rather than accept mail and bounce it later? qmail in its default operational mode is a spam reflector

Re: Bug#457318: ITP: qmail -- a secure, reliable, efficient, simple message transfer agent

2007-12-23 Thread Leo costela Antunes
Turbo Fredriksson wrote: So what changed? Did Bernstein change his licence!? According to[0], yes. And can't the qmail-src maintainer just upload a binary package? I suppose so, yes. Opinions are like a butt - everyone got one (sorry, couldn't remember the English equivalence

Re: Bug#457318: ITP: qmail -- a secure, reliable, efficient, simple message transfer agent

2007-12-23 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
, as the license didn't permit binary distribution. See e.g. http://packages.debian.org/etch/qmail-src for some explanation. So what changed? Did Bernstein change his licence!? And can't the qmail-src maintainer just upload a binary package? Qmail is now in the public domain as far as I understand

Re: Bug#457318: ITP: qmail -- a secure, reliable, efficient, simple message transfer agent

2007-12-23 Thread Turbo Fredriksson
Quoting Toni Mueller [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I suggest packaging qmail-ldap (www.qmail-ldap.org) instead, which fixes this problem and adds a number of other desirable features as well (compressed mail transfer, TLS support, cluster support, you-name-it). I sent a patch to qmail-src to build both

Re: Bug#457318: ITP: qmail -- a secure, reliable, efficient, simple message transfer agent

2007-12-23 Thread Toni Mueller
Hi, On Sun, 23.12.2007 at 20:17:16 +0100, Turbo Fredriksson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are times where qmail-ldap is to much (on hosts where a smart host is used for example) and there I use the 'simple' qmail package. On mail servers, I use the qmail-ldap package... why, just set

Re: Bug#457318: ITP: qmail -- a secure, reliable, efficient, simple message transfer agent

2007-12-23 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Turbo Fredriksson said: So to be or not to be is irrelevant - the question is: are we ALLOWED to distribute it or not? No, actually the question is whether it's worth Debian's time to maintain it, distribute it, and support it. qmail is one of the few pieces

Re: Bug#457318: ITP: qmail -- a secure, reliable, efficient, simple message transfer agent

2007-12-23 Thread Russ Allbery
Stephen Gran [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No, actually the question is whether it's worth Debian's time to maintain it, distribute it, and support it. qmail is one of the few pieces of software I've ever seen that is so poorly written that it's author recommends running it under a supervisor

Re: Bug#457318: ITP: qmail -- a secure, reliable, efficient, simple message transfer agent

2007-12-23 Thread Turbo Fredriksson
Quoting Stephen Gran [EMAIL PROTECTED]: qmail is one of the few pieces of software I've ever seen that is so poorly written that it's author recommends running it under a supervisor because it can't stay running on it's own. I wasn't planning on actually replying to this bag of complete

Re: Bug#457318: ITP: qmail -- a secure, reliable, efficient, simple message transfer agent

2007-12-23 Thread Turbo Fredriksson
Quoting Toni Mueller [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Right. How about integrating ldap-control, too? The patch I'm talking about have this (quite naturally :). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Bug#457318: ITP: qmail -- a secure, reliable, efficient, simple message transfer agent

2007-12-22 Thread Gaudenz Steinlin
On Sat, Dec 22, 2007 at 11:07:18AM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Fri, Dec 21, 2007 at 04:23:52PM +0100, Guus Sliepen wrote: On Fri, Dec 21, 2007 at 02:28:28PM +, Gerrit Pape wrote: qmail is meant as a replacement for the entire sendmail-binmail system on typical Internet

Re: Bug#457318: ITP: qmail -- a secure, reliable, efficient, simple message transfer agent

2007-12-22 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Dec 21, Steinar H. Gunderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How widespread is this anyway? I hardly see any new qmail installations anymore, and the ones I see are largely because it's a pain to migrate away from. Just one word: plesk. And yes, I'd like myself as well to see qmail die

Bug#457318: ITP: qmail -- a secure, reliable, efficient, simple message transfer agent

2007-12-21 Thread Gerrit Pape
qmail is meant as a replacement for the entire sendmail-binmail system on typical Internet-connected UNIX hosts. See BLURB, BLURB2, BLURB3, and BLURB4 in /usr/share/doc/qmail/ for more detailed advertisements. See /usr/share/doc/qmail/PIC.* for some ``end-to-end'' pictures of mail flowing through

Re: Bug#457318: ITP: qmail -- a secure, reliable, efficient, simple message transfer agent

2007-12-21 Thread Guus Sliepen
On Fri, Dec 21, 2007 at 02:28:28PM +, Gerrit Pape wrote: qmail is meant as a replacement for the entire sendmail-binmail system on typical Internet-connected UNIX hosts. See BLURB, BLURB2, BLURB3, and BLURB4 in /usr/share/doc/qmail/ for more detailed advertisements

Re: Bug#457318: ITP: qmail -- a secure, reliable, efficient, simple message transfer agent

2007-12-21 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 11240 March 1977, Guus Sliepen wrote: qmail is meant as a replacement for the entire sendmail-binmail system on typical Internet-connected UNIX hosts. See BLURB, BLURB2, BLURB3, and BLURB4 in /usr/share/doc/qmail/ for more detailed advertisements. This is not a proper ITP. You only mention

Re: Bug#457318: ITP: qmail -- a secure, reliable, efficient, simple message transfer agent

2007-12-21 Thread John H. Robinson, IV
Joerg Jaspert wrote: There are *way* better MTAs [than qmail] out there that dont need tons of patches applied just to fulfill basic requirements for a MTA. No, there are not. -- John H. Robinson, IV [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Bug#457318: ITP: qmail -- a secure, reliable, efficient, simple message transfer agent

2007-12-21 Thread Steinar H. Gunderson
is this anyway? I hardly see any new qmail installations anymore, and the ones I see are largely because it's a pain to migrate away from. Of course, the plural of “anecdote” is not “data”... /* Steinar */ -- Homepage: http://www.sesse.net/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject

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