Re: realtime kernel for Debian

2009-03-24 Thread Giacomo A. Catenazzi
. Would be nice if there was one which users could install. But I'm not an rt-kernel expert at all, so maybe I should forward this to some other people... But I think it's good to have some discussion about a realtime kernel for Debian on the Debian-dev list... Looking forward to yo

Re: realtime kernel for Debian

2009-03-24 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Tue, 24 Mar 2009, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote: > Do you really need real time kernel? > Debian is a technical driven project, but reading the previous two quotes, > "real time" is used as marketing thing. It's good to question the use of any feature, but a real-time kernel is certainly very usef

Re: realtime kernel for Debian

2009-03-24 Thread Giacomo A. Catenazzi
Raphael Hertzog wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2009, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote: Do you really need real time kernel? Debian is a technical driven project, but reading the previous two quotes, "real time" is used as marketing thing. It's good to question the use of any feature, but a real-time kernel i

Re: realtime kernel for Debian

2009-03-24 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Tue, 24 Mar 2009, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote: >> I do use a real-time kernel on a Debian based system for one of my >> customers (but I have to recompile the kernel anyway because I do other >> customizations) and I have good reasons to do so because I can't suffer >> serial overrun and I must e

Re: realtime kernel for Debian

2009-03-24 Thread Grammostola Rosea
Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote: Raphael Hertzog wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2009, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote: Do you really need real time kernel? Debian is a technical driven project, but reading the previous two quotes, "real time" is used as marketing thing. It's good to question the use of any fe

Re: realtime kernel for Debian

2009-03-25 Thread Andreas Tille
On Tue, 24 Mar 2009, nescivi wrote: Given that there are several audio oriented distributions based on Debian (e.g. 64studio and pure:dyne) that would benefit from this, and I am sure their teams may be interested in helping to support it too. IMHO it makes perfectly sense to try to join force

Re: realtime kernel for Debian

2009-03-25 Thread Grammostola Rosea
Andreas Tille wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2009, nescivi wrote: Given that there are several audio oriented distributions based on Debian (e.g. 64studio and pure:dyne) that would benefit from this, and I am sure their teams may be interested in helping to support it too. IMHO it makes perfectly se

Re: realtime kernel for Debian

2009-03-25 Thread Reinhard Tartler
Grammostola Rosea writes: > Shouldn't plain Debian also support those Pro audio Firewire devices, > the ones the FFADO team are making drivers for? Debian as a whole probably not. However interested contributors are strongly encouraged to help the debian kernel maintainers to integrate that patc

Re: realtime kernel for Debian

2009-03-25 Thread Adrian Knoth
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 12:37:37PM +0100, Grammostola Rosea wrote: > > >> Why only in 64studio and not in plain Debian? > > What's good for Debian is good for us :-) but the Debian project may > > not want to tweak the kernel or the FireWire stack just for the > > benefit of FFADO users. In the

Re: realtime kernel for Debian

2009-03-28 Thread Grammostola Rosea
Adrian Knoth wrote: On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 12:37:37PM +0100, Grammostola Rosea wrote: Why only in 64studio and not in plain Debian? What's good for Debian is good for us :-) but the Debian project may not want to tweak the kernel or the FireWire stack just for the benefit of FF

Re: realtime kernel for Debian

2009-03-28 Thread Cassiel
2009/3/28 Grammostola Rosea > >> > I asked an guy who did some work on the RT kernel for Ubuntu. This is what > he said: > > 1) Ubuntu RT kernel don't offer the same guarantees that offer one of >> the Debian kernels. For example DOS vulnerabilities are accepted into >> Ubuntu RT Kernel (because

Re: realtime kernel for Debian

2009-03-28 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 02:15:38PM +0100, Cassiel wrote: > debian stable aims to production servers, IMO multimedia users can/should > live with testing without any fear of system crashes and security updates. Just to note a different type of target audience: a PBX such as Asterisk. In this case

Re: realtime kernel for Debian

2009-03-28 Thread Andreas Tille
On Sat, 28 Mar 2009, Cassiel wrote: debian stable aims to production servers, That's wrong. Debian stable aims at production systems. If your arguing would be true I wonder why stable contains applications like Openoffice.org or audio players or ... IMO multimedia users can/should live wi

Re: realtime kernel for Debian

2009-03-29 Thread Cassiel
2009/3/28 Andreas Tille > On Sat, 28 Mar 2009, Cassiel wrote: > > debian stable aims to production servers, >> > > That's wrong. Debian stable aims at production systems. If your > arguing would be true I wonder why stable contains applications like > Openoffice.org or audio players or ...

Re: realtime kernel for Debian

2009-03-29 Thread Grammostola Rosea
Andreas Tille wrote: On Sat, 28 Mar 2009, Cassiel wrote: debian stable aims to production servers, That's wrong. Debian stable aims at production systems. If your arguing would be true I wonder why stable contains applications like Openoffice.org or audio players or ... IMO multimedia us

Re: realtime kernel for Debian

2009-03-29 Thread Grammostola Rosea
Grammostola Rosea wrote: Andreas Tille wrote: On Sat, 28 Mar 2009, Cassiel wrote: debian stable aims to production servers, That's wrong. Debian stable aims at production systems. If your arguing would be true I wonder why stable contains applications like Openoffice.org or audio players o

Re: realtime kernel for Debian

2009-03-29 Thread Grammostola Rosea
Uwe Kleine-König wrote: Hello, I guess there are multimedia users out there who care much about a stable system, reproducible results and have to earn some money from their work - so they do not want to deal with unforseable changes. Please do not advertise testing as a release which is read

Re: realtime kernel for Debian

2009-03-29 Thread Uwe Kleine-König
Hello, >>> I guess there are multimedia users out there who care much about a >>> stable system, reproducible results and have to earn some money from >>> their work - so they do not want to deal with unforseable changes. >>> Please do not advertise testing as a release which is ready for >>> user

Re: realtime kernel for Debian

2009-03-29 Thread Uwe Kleine-König
Hello, [your To: header was strange, maybe my mail reaches less recipents than your's] >>> To get some progress here, I'm searching for a person who wants and >>> is capable in filing a wishlist bug (with a patch vs. the package >>> linux-2.6 >>> >> Maybe providing a patch package is a be

Re: realtime kernel for Debian

2009-03-30 Thread Alexander Reichle-Schmehl
Hi! Uwe Kleine-König schrieb: > [your To: header was strange, maybe my mail reaches less recipents than > your's] Well, at least it reached me ;) >>> Maybe providing a patch package is a better first step? >> thanks for thinking. Who could provide such a patch package? > I can. I'd need a spon

Re: realtime kernel for Debian

2009-03-30 Thread Uwe Kleine-König
Hi Alexander, On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 10:22:02AM +0200, Alexander Reichle-Schmehl wrote: > Hi! > > Uwe Kleine-König schrieb: > > > [your To: header was strange, maybe my mail reaches less recipents than > > your's] > > Well, at least it reached me ;) > > >>> Maybe providing a patch package is

Re: realtime kernel for Debian

2009-04-10 Thread Grammostola Rosea
Uwe Kleine-König wrote: Hello, [your To: header was strange, maybe my mail reaches less recipents than your's] To get some progress here, I'm searching for a person who wants and is capable in filing a wishlist bug (with a patch vs. the package linux-2.6 Maybe providing a p

Re: realtime kernel for Debian

2009-04-13 Thread Grammostola Rosea
Uwe Kleine-König wrote: Hello, I was wondering about how far are we with implementing a RT kernel in Debian... Some progress here? Would be nice. The patch I created that "fits" on Debian's vanilla kernel creates conflicts on the sources with the Debian patches. I hope to be able to c

Re: realtime kernel for Debian

2009-04-13 Thread Uwe Kleine-König
Hello, > I was wondering about how far are we with implementing a RT kernel in > Debian... Some progress here? Would be nice. The patch I created that "fits" on Debian's vanilla kernel creates conflicts on the sources with the Debian patches. I hope to be able to clean that up by minimizing the

Re: realtime kernel for Debian

2009-05-12 Thread Grammostola Rosea
Uwe Kleine-König wrote: Hello, I was wondering about how far are we with implementing a RT kernel in Debian... Some progress here? Would be nice. The patch I created that "fits" on Debian's vanilla kernel creates conflicts on the sources with the Debian patches. I hope to be able to c

Re: realtime kernel for Debian

2009-05-13 Thread Uwe Kleine-König
Hi, >>> I was wondering about how far are we with implementing a RT kernel in >>> Debian... Some progress here? Would be nice. >>> >> The patch I created that "fits" on Debian's vanilla kernel creates >> conflicts on the sources with the Debian patches. >> I hope to be able to clean that up

Re: realtime kernel for Debian

2009-06-04 Thread Grammostola Rosea
Uwe Kleine-König wrote: Hi, I was wondering about how far are we with implementing a RT kernel in Debian... Some progress here? Would be nice. The patch I created that "fits" on Debian's vanilla kernel creates conflicts on the sources with the Debian patches. I hope to be abl

Re: realtime kernel for Debian

2009-10-02 Thread Uwe Kleine-König
Hello, On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 11:35:17AM +0200, Uwe Kleine-König wrote: > Hi, > > >>> I was wondering about how far are we with implementing a RT kernel in > >>> Debian... Some progress here? Would be nice. > >>> > >> The patch I created that "fits" on Debian's vanilla kernel creates > >>

Re: realtime kernel for Debian

2009-10-02 Thread rosea grammostola
Uwe Kleine-König wrote: Hello, On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 11:35:17AM +0200, Uwe Kleine-König wrote: Hi, I was wondering about how far are we with implementing a RT kernel in Debian... Some progress here? Would be nice. The patch I created that "fits" on Debian's vanilla

Re: Re: realtime kernel for Debian

2009-03-24 Thread nescivi
> I think 95% of the users of the linuxaudio.org community (LAU mailinglist) > uses a realtime kernel (CONFIG_HZ_1000 + Mingo patch (!?)). Discussion if > it is still needed bumps up there once in a while, for example: > > http://linuxaudio.org/mailarchive/lau/2009/3/10/153190 > > > But till now pe

realtime kernel for Debian (was: Please Improve Debian for Multimedia Production)

2009-03-24 Thread Grammostola Rosea
was one which users could install. But I'm not an rt-kernel expert at all, so maybe I should forward this to some other people... But I think it's good to have some discussion about a realtime kernel for Debian on the Debian-dev list... Looking forward to your opinions on this. \r --

Re: realtime kernel for Debian (was: Please Improve Debian for Multimedia Production)

2009-03-24 Thread Paul Wise
, so maybe > I should forward this to some other people... > > But I think it's good to have some discussion about a realtime kernel for > Debian on the Debian-dev list... > Looking forward to your opinions on this. We have had a Xen Linux image, so there should be no problem to