On Wed, Jun 06, 2012 at 08:16:26PM +0200, Steven Post wrote:
> Reading this I assume ia32-libs will be removed from Debian (with which
> I completely agree btw), what about packages outside of Debian that
> currently depend upon ia32-libs? To name a certain package: skype. Its
> AMD64 package from
On Thu, 07 Jun 2012, Stephen Powell wrote:
> I'm not questioning anyone's competency, but parted is way out of
> date; and no-one seems to be doing anything about it.
http://bugs.debian.org/646130 seems to indicate that the primary
reason why we haven't yet switched to a newer version is due to th
On Tue, 05 Jun 2012 11:52:52 -0400 (EDT), Joey Hess wrote:
>
> ...
> This bug is a textbook example of making the perfect the enemy of the good.
> It's disconcerting that we, or our users, are willing to put up with this.
Unfortunately, this is not an isolated case. Another example is GNU parted
Le Thu, Jun 07, 2012 at 02:08:40AM +0800, Thomas Goirand a écrit :
> On 06/06/2012 04:36 PM, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> > Even better, maintainers can prevent this kind of things from happening
> > by opening up *by default*, allowing commit to package maintenance Vcs
> > to all DDs, and documenti
On 06.06.2012 20:08, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> On 06/06/2012 04:36 PM, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
>> Even better, maintainers can prevent this kind of things from happening
>> by opening up *by default*, allowing commit to package maintenance Vcs
>> to all DDs, and documenting that commits there are w
On Wed, Jun 06, 2012 at 04:14:56PM -0300, Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer
wrote:
> On Wed 06 Jun 2012 15:16:26 Steven Post escribió:
> [snip]
> > Reading this I assume ia32-libs will be removed from Debian (with which
> > I completely agree btw), what about packages outside of Debian that
> >
On Wed 06 Jun 2012 15:16:26 Steven Post escribió:
[snip]
> Reading this I assume ia32-libs will be removed from Debian (with which
> I completely agree btw), what about packages outside of Debian that
> currently depend upon ia32-libs? To name a certain package: skype. Its
> AMD64 package from the
On Tue, 5 Jun 2012 16:12:31 -0400, Michael Gilbert
wrote:
>> They are members of pkg-wine already, so I think they can make changes
>> that can improve the status but not limited to minimal changes for
>> NMU. If Mike don't want to "hijack" at least for now, team upload is
>> good enough.
>
>Hopef
Hi,
Please forgive me if this is the wrong place to ask (or if I'm
completely wrong here).
On Wed, 2012-06-06 at 11:15 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
[...]
>
> Juppey. Thanks to all the workers and the NMUers that made this
> possible.
>
> Now if wine 1.4 enters unstable we are finaly ready
On 06/06/2012 04:36 PM, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> Even better, maintainers can prevent this kind of things from happening
> by opening up *by default*, allowing commit to package maintenance Vcs
> to all DDs, and documenting that commits there are welcome as long as
> they follow some house rules
On 06/06/2012 04:23 AM, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> Please don't spread incorrect information. The situation is by far not
> the same (as in: it's *much* better now), and that is also thanks to the
> discussion back then. -devel FTW, ... sometimes :-)
>
> Cheers.
>
I can see it, and I'm very h
On Wed, Jun 06, 2012 at 10:36:42AM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 05, 2012 at 11:52:52AM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> > This bug is a textbook example of making the perfect the enemy of the
> > good. It's disconcerting that we, or our users, are willing to put up
> > with this.
May I
Simon McVittie writes:
> On 05/06/12 16:52, Joey Hess wrote:
>> This bug is a textbook example of making the perfect the enemy of
>> the good.
>
> Yes, pretty much. On the bright side, multiarch and a modern Wine
> version have both arrived (Wine 1.4 is admittedly only in experimental
> right now
On Tue, Jun 05, 2012 at 01:30:01PM -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote:
> We are announcing our deferred uploads at least 10 days in advance
> (unless RC) with git commit references, so Ove can review and/or
> cancel/reject our work at any point. Thus, we haven't taken any of
> his power away and it real
On Tue, Jun 05, 2012 at 11:52:52AM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> This bug is a textbook example of making the perfect the enemy of the
> good. It's disconcerting that we, or our users, are willing to put up
> with this.
I see what you mean and I absolutely agree with the general principle.
We have a
On Mar 05 Jun 2012 17:12:31 Michael Gilbert escribió:
> > They are members of pkg-wine already, so I think they can make changes
> > that can improve the status but not limited to minimal changes for
> > NMU. If Mike don't want to "hijack" at least for now, team upload is
> > good enough.
>
> Hope
On Wed, Jun 06, 2012 at 03:56:56AM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> Please do this *now*. We've already discussed about Wine in this
> list few months ago, and the situation is still the same. At some
> point, we need to get things moving...
Please don't spread incorrect information. The situation
> They are members of pkg-wine already, so I think they can make changes
> that can improve the status but not limited to minimal changes for
> NMU. If Mike don't want to "hijack" at least for now, team upload is
> good enough.
Hopefully this will make some people happy: I pushed the first team
up
On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 3:56 AM, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> On 06/06/2012 01:41 AM, Michael Gilbert wrote:
>> And even then, I plan
>> to defer the matter to the tech committee
> Please do this *now*. We've already discussed about Wine in this
> list few months ago, and the situation is still the same
On 06/06/2012 01:41 AM, Michael Gilbert wrote:
> And even then, I plan
> to defer the matter to the tech committee
Please do this *now*. We've already discussed about Wine in this
list few months ago, and the situation is still the same. At some
point, we need to get things moving...
Thomas
--
Hi Mike,
On Tue, Jun 05, 2012 at 01:41:42PM -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Christian PERRIER wrote:
> > You mean, besides completely hijacking the package?
> >
> > The last maintainer upload is dated 2010/05/23.
> >
> > So, from my POV, you (Michael) and Hilko Beng
On 05/06/12 16:52, Joey Hess wrote:
> This bug is a textbook example of making the perfect the enemy of
> the good.
Yes, pretty much. On the bright side, multiarch and a modern Wine
version have both arrived (Wine 1.4 is admittedly only in experimental
right now, but I hope it'll reach testing bef
On Tue, Jun 05, 2012 at 01:41:42PM -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote:
> > You mean, besides completely hijacking the package?
> >
> > The last maintainer upload is dated 2010/05/23.
> >
> > So, from my POV, you (Michael) and Hilko Bengen seem to be the real
> > package maintainers for wine.
> >
> > My s
Andreas Barth wrote:
> * Joey Hess (jo...@debian.org) [120605 17:53]:
> > I've read over this entire bug, and while there are clearly some hard
> > problems and a lot of good work shown here, I'm seeing a concerning
> > trend throughout it.
>
> I think the issues are now getting way better, with e
On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Christian PERRIER wrote:
> You mean, besides completely hijacking the package?
>
> The last maintainer upload is dated 2010/05/23.
>
> So, from my POV, you (Michael) and Hilko Bengen seem to be the real
> package maintainers for wine.
>
> My suggestion: do a maintain
(No CC, please, I'm subscribed to -devel)
Quoting Michael Gilbert (mgilb...@debian.org):
> Anyway, we've had recent threads on the continuing issues with strong
> package maintenance, and from what I can tell, there is no clear
> direction. The solution I'm pursuing is a liberal application of
>
On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 05, 2012 at 12:46:46PM -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote:
>> Not sure what to say other than when I became a DD and gained the
>> power to NMU, I started fixing this. Before that, Ove's contributor
>> rejections blocked myself and
On Tue, Jun 05, 2012 at 12:46:46PM -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote:
> Not sure what to say other than when I became a DD and gained the
> power to NMU, I started fixing this. Before that, Ove's contributor
> rejections blocked myself and many other non-DDs from effectively
> helping.
I would also be
* Joey Hess (jo...@debian.org) [120605 17:53]:
> I've read over this entire bug, and while there are clearly some hard
> problems and a lot of good work shown here, I'm seeing a concerning
> trend throughout it.
I think the issues are now getting way better, with e.g. hillu
uploading new wine vers
On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 11:52 AM, Joey Hess wrote:
> 10 Jun 2010 a bug was filed wanting wine 1.2 packaged in time for squeeze.
> 12 Aug 2010 packages of 1.2 were available .. but not in Debian.
> 6 Feb 2011 squeeze shipped with the same wine version that shipped in lenny.
> 7 Mar 2012 wine 1.
10 Jun 2010 a bug was filed wanting wine 1.2 packaged in time for squeeze.
12 Aug 2010 packages of 1.2 were available .. but not in Debian.
6 Feb 2011 squeeze shipped with the same wine version that shipped in lenny.
7 Mar 2012 wine 1.4 was released as the new upstream stable release
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