what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-09 Thread Maykel Moya
I recently realized that I had /.dev, after that, I rm -fr it what rendered my system unbootabled. Can somebody point me to info regarding /.dev. I have dig in /usr/share/doc/udev and Google but found nothing. Regards mike -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsub

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-09 Thread Pierre Habouzit
Le Mer 9 Février 2005 15:30, Maykel Moya a écrit : > I recently realized that I had /.dev, after that, I rm -fr it what > rendered my system unbootabled. > > Can somebody point me to info regarding /.dev. I have dig > in /usr/share/doc/udev and Google but found nothing. read your /etc/init.d/udev

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-09 Thread Björn Krombholz
On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 10:30:12 -0400, Maykel Moya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I recently realized that I had /.dev, after that, I rm -fr it what > rendered my system unbootabled. .dev is just a binding to the original (static) /dev/ that is created before udev mounts it's dynamic /dev over the exis

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-09 Thread Sam Morris
Maykel Moya wrote: I recently realized that I had /.dev, after that, I rm -fr it what rendered my system unbootabled. Can somebody point me to info regarding /.dev. I have dig in /usr/share/doc/udev and Google but found nothing. $ mount | grep \\.dev /dev on /.dev type unknown (rw,bind) When udev s

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-09 Thread Philipp Matthias Hahn
Hello! On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 10:30:12AM -0400, Maykel Moya wrote: > I recently realized that I had /.dev, after that, I rm -fr it what > rendered my system unbootabled. udev mounts a tmpfs over /dev to not disturb your (old) static /dev. To make your old /dev available, udev bind-mounts it to /

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-09 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2005-02-09 at 17:30 +, Sam Morris wrote: > Maykel Moya wrote: > > I recently realized that I had /.dev, after that, I rm -fr it what > > rendered my system unbootabled. > > > > Can somebody point me to info regarding /.dev. I have dig > > in /usr/share/doc/udev and Google but found not

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-09 Thread sean finney
On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 06:51:11PM +0100, Björn Krombholz wrote: > .dev is just a binding to the original (static) /dev/ that is created > before udev mounts it's dynamic /dev over the existing one. So if you > rm everything in /.dev you would delete everything in /dev which might > be needed at bo

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-09 Thread Ben Pfaff
Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > One thing I do know is that traditional apps like df (and anything > that uses stat(), I guess) don't know about /.dev, and so return > false information: > > $ df > Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on > /dev/hda39843

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-09 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Maykel Moya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I recently realized that I had /.dev, after that, I rm -fr it what > rendered my system unbootabled. What led you to do such a thing? The idea "I don't know what this is, so I should delete it" is rampant, and disastrous. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-09 Thread Norbert Tretkowski
* Maykel Moya wrote: > I recently realized that I had /.dev, after that, I rm -fr it what > rendered my system unbootabled. File a bugreport... /etc/init.d/udev says: # /.dev is used by /sbin/MAKEDEV to access the real /dev directory. # if you don't like this, remove /.dev/. Norbert -- To UNS

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-09 Thread Mowgli
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hoi, Am Mi den 9. Feb 2005 um 22:07 schriebst Du: > What led you to do such a thing? The idea "I don't know what this is, > so I should delete it" is rampant, and disastrous. I don't think so. Well, maybe not directely removing somethink but the Sy

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-09 Thread Olaf Conradi
On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 13:07:33 -0800 (PST), Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Maykel Moya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I recently realized that I had /.dev, after that, I rm -fr it what > > rendered my system unbootabled. > > What led you to do such a thing? The idea "I don't know

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-09 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Feb 09, sean finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > how does /.dev fit in with the fhs? It does not, but there is no other place to put it. Just do not look at it and it will not bother you. If you really can't stand it, then unmount the bind mount and rmdir the directory. It will not be created a

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-09 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Feb 09, Norbert Tretkowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > File a bugreport... /etc/init.d/udev says: Don't. > # /.dev is used by /sbin/MAKEDEV to access the real /dev directory. > # if you don't like this, remove /.dev/. "Remove /.dev/" does not mean "rm -rf it". Considering that the line above

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-09 Thread GOMBAS Gabor
On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 10:46:03PM +0100, Olaf Conradi wrote: > I've always found the existence of ./dev a bit weird in a directory > listing of /. > I'd rather have it in /var/lib/dev, but maybe that's just me ;) ... which would mean that it would become unaccessible (and thus meaningless) as th

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-09 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Mowgli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Am Mi den 9. Feb 2005 um 22:07 schriebst Du: > > What led you to do such a thing? The idea "I don't know what this is, > > so I should delete it" is rampant, and disastrous. > > I don't think so. Well, maybe not directely removing somethink but the > Systema

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-09 Thread Olaf Conradi
On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 22:57:27 +0100, GOMBAS Gabor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 10:46:03PM +0100, Olaf Conradi wrote: > > I've always found the existence of ./dev a bit weird in a directory > > listing of /. > > I'd rather have it in /var/lib/dev, but maybe that's just me ;) >

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-09 Thread David Mandelberg
GOMBAS Gabor wrote: > ... which would mean that it would become unaccessible (and thus > meaningless) as the real /var gets mounted later in the boot process. > You cannot reliably put it under a directory that is not guaranteed to > be on the root file system; that leaves roughly /, /etc, /bin, /l

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-09 Thread sean finney
On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 10:46:29PM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Feb 09, sean finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > how does /.dev fit in with the fhs? > It does not, but there is no other place to put it. Just do not look at > it and it will not bother you. that's a great line of reasoning.

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-09 Thread Lucas de Sousa
To mount inside the /dev seems a very good idea. Something like /dev/compatxx, /dev/stddev, /dev/old, /dev/original or else. About the fhs ... standards can change. But the unixes fhs is uglier enougth as it is. :) Em Qua 09 Fev 2005 20:42, David Mandelberg escreveu: > GOMBAS Gabor wrote: > > .

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-09 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Feb 10, sean finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > seriously though, is there really no where else that it can go? i'm not No. > too familiar with udev, but i'm guessing that it has to go on the root > partition, or at the least it can't go under a directory that could > possibly be mounted ove

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-09 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Feb 09, David Mandelberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What about this: Nice try, but: - / is not writeable at the time this needs to run - it's too much complex anyway to be worth implementing (even using bind --move) -- ciao, Marco signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-09 Thread Adam Heath
On Wed, 9 Feb 2005, David Mandelberg wrote: > GOMBAS Gabor wrote: > > ... which would mean that it would become unaccessible (and thus > > meaningless) as the real /var gets mounted later in the boot process. > > You cannot reliably put it under a directory that is not guaranteed to > > be on the

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-09 Thread sean finney
On Thu, Feb 10, 2005 at 12:13:40AM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: > > must it be mounted for everyone, or is it merely a convenience/necessity > > for a few people in specific situations? if the latter is true, wouldn't > For people who want MAKEDEV to keep updating the static /dev. that hardly sound

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-09 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Feb 10, sean finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > seriously though, is there really no where else that it can go? i'm not > No. > > > too familiar with udev, but i'm guessing that it has to go on the root > > partition, or at the least it can't go un

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-09 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Wed, 09 Feb 2005, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Feb 09, Norbert Tretkowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > File a bugreport... /etc/init.d/udev says: > Don't. > > > # /.dev is used by /sbin/MAKEDEV to access the real /dev directory. > > # if you don't like this, remove /.dev/. > "Remove /.dev/" does

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-09 Thread David Mandelberg
Adam Heath wrote: > On Wed, 9 Feb 2005, David Mandelberg wrote: >>TMPDEV="`mktemp -d /tmp/devXX || { mkdir /.dev; echo -n /.dev; }`" >>mount -o bind /dev $TMPDEV >>mount -t tmpfs none /dev >>mkdir /dev/orig >>mount -o bind $TMPDEV /dev/orig >>umount $TMPDEV >>rm -rf $TMPDEV > > > Unless of cour

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-09 Thread Olaf Conradi
On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:01:00 -0500, sean finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Feb 10, 2005 at 12:13:40AM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: > > > must it be mounted for everyone, or is it merely a convenience/necessity > > > for a few people in specific situations? if the latter is true, wouldn't >

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-09 Thread Darren Salt
I demand that Marco d'Itri may or may not have written... > On Feb 09, Norbert Tretkowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> File a bugreport... /etc/init.d/udev says: > Don't. >> # /.dev is used by /sbin/MAKEDEV to access the real /dev directory. >> # if you don't like this, remove /.dev/. > "Remov

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-09 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2005-02-09 at 12:43 -0800, Ben Pfaff wrote: > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > One thing I do know is that traditional apps like df (and anything > > that uses stat(), I guess) don't know about /.dev, and so return > > false information: > > > > $ df > > Filesystem 1K-

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-09 Thread Norbert Tretkowski
* Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Feb 09, Norbert Tretkowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > # /.dev is used by /sbin/MAKEDEV to access the real /dev directory. > > # if you don't like this, remove /.dev/. > > "Remove /.dev/" does not mean "rm -rf it". What does it mean instead? > Considering that the li

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-09 Thread Cameron Hutchison
Once upon a time Ron Johnson said... > On Wed, 2005-02-09 at 12:43 -0800, Ben Pfaff wrote: > > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > One thing I do know is that traditional apps like df (and anything > > > that uses stat(), I guess) don't know about /.dev, and so return > > > false inf

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-09 Thread Steve Greenland
On 09-Feb-05, 19:12 (CST), Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "So what?", you say. Well, data should only be listed once, not > twice. gtkdiskfree sums up all total and free disk space, and > having /.dev in there totally distorts the truth. If you don't have a fs mounted, df won't show i

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-09 Thread Anthony Towns
GOMBAS Gabor wrote: You cannot reliably put it under a directory that is not guaranteed to be on the root file system; that leaves roughly /, /etc, /bin, /lib and /sbin. Pick your favourite :-) So what's wrong with /lib/udev/pre-udev-dev or /lib/udev/real-rootfs-dev or similar? Cheers, aj -- To U

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-09 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2005-02-09 at 19:24 -0600, Steve Greenland wrote: > On 09-Feb-05, 19:12 (CST), Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "So what?", you say. Well, data should only be listed once, not > > twice. gtkdiskfree sums up all total and free disk space, and > > having /.dev in there totally di

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-10 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Feb 10, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "So what?", you say. Well, data should only be listed once, not > twice. gtkdiskfree sums up all total and free disk space, and > having /.dev in there totally distorts the truth. This means that gtkdiskfree is broken, and should be fixed to un

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-10 Thread GOMBAS Gabor
On Thu, Feb 10, 2005 at 02:08:16AM +0100, Norbert Tretkowski wrote: > > "Remove /.dev/" does not mean "rm -rf it". > > What does it mean instead? It's what politicians do: quote something out-of-context and pretend it means something entirely different than in the original context :-) /etc/init.

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-10 Thread Frank Küster
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco d'Itri) schrieb: > On Feb 09, Norbert Tretkowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> File a bugreport... /etc/init.d/udev says: > Don't. > >> # /.dev is used by /sbin/MAKEDEV to access the real /dev directory. >> # if you don't like this, remove /.dev/. > "Remove /.dev/" does

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-10 Thread Ron Johnson
On Thu, 2005-02-10 at 10:11 +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Feb 10, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > "So what?", you say. Well, data should only be listed once, not > > twice. gtkdiskfree sums up all total and free disk space, and > > having /.dev in there totally distorts the truth.

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-10 Thread Ron Johnson
On Thu, 2005-02-10 at 11:29 +0100, Frank Küster wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco d'Itri) schrieb: > > > On Feb 09, Norbert Tretkowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> File a bugreport... /etc/init.d/udev says: > > Don't. > > > >> # /.dev is used by /sbin/MAKEDEV to access the real /dev directo

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-10 Thread Frank Küster
Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 2005-02-10 at 11:29 +0100, Frank Küster wrote: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco d'Itri) schrieb: >> >> > On Feb 09, Norbert Tretkowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > >> >> File a bugreport... /etc/init.d/udev says: >> > Don't. >> > >> >> # /.dev is use

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-10 Thread Steve Greenland
On 10-Feb-05, 08:01 (CST), Frank K?ster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This does not excuse the fact that someone with (a) root access, > > and (b) without the proper knowledge, went around rm'ing things. > > I thought Debian was a distribution targetted at a wide audience, > including experience

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-10 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
Quoting Frank Küster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Thu, 2005-02-10 at 11:29 +0100, Frank Küster wrote: > >> # If you don't like this, umount /.dev/ and remove the empty directory. > > > > This does not excuse the fact that someone with (a) root access, >

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-10 Thread Lech Karol Pawłaszek
On 10 February 2005 15:31 (CST), Steve Greenland wrote: [...] > Consider this: > > "I don't know much about cars, just how to drive one. I looked under the > hood, and there were all these messy wires every where. I didn't like > the way it looked, so I cut them all out. Now my car won't start." >

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-10 Thread Norbert Tretkowski
* Steve Greenland wrote: > On 10-Feb-05, 08:01 (CST), Frank K?ster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > This does not excuse the fact that someone with (a) root access, > > > and (b) without the proper knowledge, went around rm'ing things. > > > > I thought Debian was a distribution targetted at a wi

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-10 Thread Frank Küster
"Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That is true. But really, I thank that what happened shows a lack of common > sense. There is little helping that. Imagine that you take your car to > get serviced. The mechanic replaces some part. Next time you open the hood, > you see a part

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-10 Thread John Hasler
Norbert Tretkowski writes: > There's no label saying "if you don't like these wires, remove them". And cars never grow unwanted wires. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-10 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Feb 10, Lech Karol Paw?aszek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well... not really... it's something like this: > "I don't know much about cars, just how to drive one. I looked under the > hood, > and there were all the messy wires everywhere. And I remember, that one of > them wasn't there when i

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-10 Thread J. Bruce Fields
On Thu, Feb 10, 2005 at 06:19:56AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > I'll file bugs against gtkdiskfree & pydf. Now that I understand > this more (thanks, MdI), I see that df has a way to exclude bind > mounts. > > $ df -T > FilesystemType 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on > /dev/hda

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-10 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Feb 10, "J. Bruce Fields" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In something like df I think the sensible thing to do is just to > continue to list all bind mounts, even when it's redundant. The sensible thing to do is to check major/minor and report file systems only once. -- ciao, Marco signature.

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-10 Thread J. Bruce Fields
On Thu, Feb 10, 2005 at 06:30:41PM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Feb 10, "J. Bruce Fields" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > In something like df I think the sensible thing to do is just to > > continue to list all bind mounts, even when it's redundant. > The sensible thing to do is to check majo

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-10 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
Frank Küster wrote: "Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: That is true. But really, I thank that what happened shows a lack of common sense. There is little helping that. Imagine that you take your car to get serviced. The mechanic replaces some part. Next time you open the hood, yo

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-10 Thread Lech Karol Pawłaszek
On Thursday 10 of February 2005 18:22, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Feb 10, Lech Karol Paw?aszek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Well... not really... it's something like this: > > "I don't know much about cars, just how to drive one. I looked under the > > hood, and there were all the messy wires every

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-10 Thread John Hasler
Roberto C. Sanchez writes: > I said "snap it off," not "carefully remove with appropriate tools." > Anyone who goes mucking around their filesystem removing potentially > critical compenents without thinking about it and using the proper tools > for the job, is not thinking straight. Rm is the too

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-10 Thread Ron Johnson
On Thu, 2005-02-10 at 19:14 +0100, Lech Karol Pawłaszek wrote: > On Thursday 10 of February 2005 18:22, Marco d'Itri wrote: > > On Feb 10, Lech Karol Paw?aszek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Well... not really... it's something like this: > > > "I don't know much about cars, just how to drive one

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-10 Thread Ron Johnson
On Thu, 2005-02-10 at 12:18 -0600, John Hasler wrote: > Roberto C. Sanchez writes: > > I said "snap it off," not "carefully remove with appropriate tools." > > Anyone who goes mucking around their filesystem removing potentially > > critical compenents without thinking about it and using the proper

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-10 Thread Matijs van Zuijlen
On Thu, Feb 10, 2005 at 12:52:39PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > On Thu, 2005-02-10 at 12:18 -0600, John Hasler wrote: > > Roberto C. Sanchez writes: > > > I said "snap it off," not "carefully remove with appropriate tools." > > > Anyone who goes mucking around their filesystem removing potentially >

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-10 Thread Brian May
> "John" == John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: John> Norbert Tretkowski writes: >> There's no label saying "if you don't like these wires, remove >> them". John> And cars never grow unwanted wires. You obviously need to run "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" on you

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-10 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Lech Karol PawÅaszek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > To be honest - i don't care what you think about people who "cut > extra wire from their car". They can be morons or whoever they want > to be. I would point out that one might be suprised that a hidden > directory appeared in his/hers root direct

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-10 Thread John Hasler
Thomas Bushnell writes: > Even if one thinks "I've been compromised", it is not the right thing to > immediately delete the files which are the evidence of the intrusion. People often do the wrong thing, especially when agitated. When we notice something they could hurt themselves on we should tr

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-10 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Thomas Bushnell writes: > > Even if one thinks "I've been compromised", it is not the right thing to > > immediately delete the files which are the evidence of the intrusion. > > People often do the wrong thing, especially when agitated. When we notice >

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-11 Thread Frank Küster
"Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Please read what I wrote more carefully. I said "snap it off," not > "carefully remove with appropriate tools." Anyone who goes mucking > around their filesystem removing potentially critical compenents > without thinking about it and using the p

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-11 Thread Lech Karol Pawłaszek
On Friday 11 of February 2005 03:05, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Thomas Bushnell writes: > > > Even if one thinks "I've been compromised", it is not the right thing > > > to immediately delete the files which are the evidence of the > > > intrusion. > >

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-12 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Feb 10, 2005 at 01:05:15PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > "carefully remove with appropriate tools." Anyone who goes mucking > around their filesystem removing potentially critical compenents > without thinking about it and using the proper tools for the job, > is not thinking straight

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-12 Thread Ingo Saitz
On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 06:51:11PM +0100, Björn Krombholz wrote: > AFAIR the only device needed on my system was > /dev/null. /dev/null and /dev/console, since the kernel needs the latter to open the initial console and pass that to init. Until that kernelbug gets fixed, at least. Ingo -- $

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-12 Thread Ingo Saitz
On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 10:46:29PM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Feb 09, sean finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > how does /.dev fit in with the fhs? > It does not, but there is no other place to put it. Just do not look at > it and it will not bother you. Just thought there may be a better pl

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-12 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Sat, 12 Feb 2005, Ingo Saitz wrote: > Just thought there may be a better place to put it: /dev/.dev > It just takes some more fiddling to mount it there: > > # mount the old /dev to /dev/.dev > # since /dev is hidden, I need to bind mount / somwhere else first > mkdir /dev/.dev /dev/.tmp > moun

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-12 Thread Ron Johnson
On Fri, 2005-02-11 at 23:16 +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > On Thu, Feb 10, 2005 at 01:05:15PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > > "carefully remove with appropriate tools." Anyone who goes mucking > > around their filesystem removing potentially critical compenents > > without thinking about it

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-12 Thread Marco d'Itri
By popular request, the comment now states: # /.dev is used by /sbin/MAKEDEV to access the real /dev directory. # if you do not like this then rmdir /.dev/ after unmounting it. And for the benefit of another class of users who run commands without understand their consequences, I added this

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-12 Thread Lucas de Sousa
> > 'rm' is not a proper tool for file removal? > > Rules to live by: > Look before you leap. > Measure twice, cut once. > Google it! This is a very good set of rules if all of our intendend users are experts. :) And even to experts... If I have not readed this here I would look at it. An

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-12 Thread Norbert Tretkowski
* Marco d'Itri wrote: > By popular request, the comment now states: > > # /.dev is used by /sbin/MAKEDEV to access the real /dev directory. > # if you do not like this then rmdir /.dev/ after unmounting it. Thanks. Norbert -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsub

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-12 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sat, 2005-02-12 at 18:33 -0200, Lucas de Sousa wrote: > > > 'rm' is not a proper tool for file removal? > > > > Rules to live by: > > Look before you leap. > > Measure twice, cut once. > > Google it! > > This is a very good set of rules if all of our intendend users are experts.

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-12 Thread Lucas de Sousa
> > > Rules to live by: > > > Look before you leap. > > > Measure twice, cut once. > > > Google it! > > > > This is a very good set of rules if all of our intendend users are > > experts. > > So you are saying that these are *not* good rules for amateurs? It is But is not wise to develop sof

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-12 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sat, 2005-02-12 at 20:11 -0200, Lucas de Sousa wrote: > > > > Rules to live by: > > > > Look before you leap. > > > > Measure twice, cut once. > > > > Google it! > > > > > > This is a very good set of rules if all of our intendend users are > > > experts. > > > > So you are saying that the

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-13 Thread Brian May
> "Ron" == Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Ron> Rules to live by: Ron> Look before you leap. Isn't the modern version: "Leap before you look..." (and then contact your lawyer[1]...) Ron> Measure twice, cut once. Cut twice, measure once. Ron> Google it! Loose it!

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-14 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Lucas de Sousa | Assuming that is unclean installation junk. Assume makes an ass of u an' me. -- Tollef Fog Heen,''`. UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky about who its friends are : :' :

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-14 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Tollef Fog Heen] > Assume makes an ass of u an' me. Why do people keep circulating this saying? It makes no sense. Normally, assuming only ever has the power to make an ass of the person who did the assuming, i.e. "me", not "u and me". And even then, it's not like you could get very far in lif

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-14 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Peter Samuelson | [Tollef Fog Heen] | > Assume makes an ass of u an' me. | | Why do people keep circulating this saying? It makes no sense. | Normally, assuming only ever has the power to make an ass of the person | who did the assuming, i.e. "me", not "u and me". And even then, it's | not l

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-16 Thread Lucas de Sousa
On that scenario does not seem a unreasonable action to delete it without looking. It just 15 minutes to take it back. I would take more time google'ing it, than reinstaling it. But you missed my point. Even the people here that supports the /.dev mount agrees that is not the right place for

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-16 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Feb 17, Lucas de Sousa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I understand that there only a few places to it. It /will/ be moved to /dev/.old-dev/dev/ at some point in the future (I need to coordinate this with at least the makedev maintainer), but for a different reason (#294968). > I do believe that

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-17 Thread GOMBAS Gabor
On Thu, Feb 17, 2005 at 01:04:34AM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: > > I do believe that the right thing is to be disabled by default. > No. Well, I've just checked and mount --move /dev /temp-mount-point mount --bind /dev /where-you-want-it mount --move /temp-mount-point /dev works on a live system

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-17 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Lucas de Sousa | Even the people here that supports the /.dev mount agrees that is not the | right place for it. It does not match the FHS, and it is a bit weird. The FHS, like policy, documents current practice. If /.dev catches on, it'll be in the FHS somehow. -- Tollef Fog Heen

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-17 Thread Ron Johnson
On Thu, 2005-02-17 at 10:54 +0100, GOMBAS Gabor wrote: > On Thu, Feb 17, 2005 at 01:04:34AM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: > > > > I do believe that the right thing is to be disabled by default. > > No. > > Well, I've just checked and > > mount --move /dev /temp-mount-point > mount --bind /dev /wher