Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg

2023-05-07 Thread Simon Richter
Hi, On 5/7/23 18:14, Ansgar wrote: Is there any specific reason why specifically diversions are a problem where "it might work" is not sufficient? That is, why should we divert from the usual standard for dealing with packages outside the Debian ecosystem here? Locally created diversions are

Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg

2023-05-07 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Sun, 7 May 2023 at 22:10, Helmut Grohne wrote: > > Hi Luca, > > On Sun, May 07, 2023 at 12:51:21PM +0100, Luca Boccassi wrote: > > The local/external aspect is already covered in Ansgar's reply and > > subthread. > > I hope that we can at least agree that we don't have consensus on this > view

Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg

2023-05-07 Thread Helmut Grohne
Hi Luca, On Sun, May 07, 2023 at 12:51:21PM +0100, Luca Boccassi wrote: > The local/external aspect is already covered in Ansgar's reply and subthread. I hope that we can at least agree that we don't have consensus on this view. And the more I think about it, the more it becomes clear to me that

Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg

2023-05-07 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Sun, 7 May 2023 at 12:51, Luca Boccassi wrote: > > On Sun, 7 May 2023 at 06:55, Helmut Grohne wrote: > > > > Hi Luca, > > > > On Sat, May 06, 2023 at 09:47:15PM +0100, Luca Boccassi wrote: > > > Sure, there are some things that need special handling, as you have > > > pointed out. What I meant

Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg

2023-05-07 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Sun, 7 May 2023 at 06:55, Helmut Grohne wrote: > > Hi Luca, > > On Sat, May 06, 2023 at 09:47:15PM +0100, Luca Boccassi wrote: > > Sure, there are some things that need special handling, as you have > > pointed out. What I meant is that I don't think we need special > > handling for _all_ affec

Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg

2023-05-07 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Sun, 7 May 2023 at 00:44, Sean Whitton wrote: > > Hello, > > On Sat 06 May 2023 at 09:47PM +01, Luca Boccassi wrote: > > > On Sat, 6 May 2023 at 19:51, Helmut Grohne wrote: > >> > >> > - the moratorium on moving files from bin/ sbin/ lib/ _and_ to other > >> > packages at the same time is main

Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg

2023-05-07 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Sun, 7 May 2023 at 10:14, Ansgar wrote: > > Hi, > > On Sun, 2023-05-07 at 07:50 +0200, Helmut Grohne wrote: > > But then, you only capture diversions inside Debian's ecosystem > > It's unreasonable to support stuff outside Debian's ecosystem: even > basic dependency relations do not work for th

Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg

2023-05-07 Thread Ansgar
Hi, On Sun, 2023-05-07 at 07:50 +0200, Helmut Grohne wrote: > But then, you only capture diversions inside Debian's ecosystem It's unreasonable to support stuff outside Debian's ecosystem: even basic dependency relations do not work for this. Debian's dependency system requires to explicitly dec

Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg

2023-05-07 Thread Ansgar
Hi, On Sun, 2023-05-07 at 07:50 +0200, Helmut Grohne wrote: > But then, you only capture diversions inside Debian's ecosystem and miss > out on other kinds of diversions such as local diversions. We currently > support imposing local diversions on pretty much arbitrary files > including unit files