Bug#229357: Can we require build-arch/indep targets for lenny?

On Sat, 13 Oct 2007, Frank Lichtenheld wrote: > 1) Build-Options field > > As pointed out this doesn't scale very well and there is no real way to > make it default behaviour one day. This would be the way to go though if > it only needs to be specified for few packages (either because we think >

Bug#229357: Can we require build-arch/indep targets for lenny?

Hi, Frank Lichtenheld schrieb: 3) Autodetection My approach would be to have the autobuilders use "build-arch", and if that fails within 60 seconds, "clean" and "build". If "build-arch" is not implemented, it fails rather quickly, so we use "build" and make a note in the build log. Later,

Bug#229357: Can we require build-arch/indep targets for lenny?

On Fri, Oct 12, 2007 at 02:13:49PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Fri, Oct 12, 2007 at 10:49:13PM +0200, Frank Lichtenheld wrote: > > No answer? I would like to work on this, but someone would need to > > answer my questions about it... > > > (explicetly sending to vorlon, too, ignoring the M-F

Bug#229357: Can we require build-arch/indep targets for lenny?

On Sat, Sep 29, 2007 at 10:09:19PM +0200, Frank Lichtenheld wrote: > On Mon, Jul 02, 2007 at 09:26:23PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > > Attached is a patch to dpkg which implements a check for a 'build-arch' > > target using 'make -f debian/rules -qn build-arch'. > > Is there actually a defined s

Bug#229357: Can we require build-arch/indep targets for lenny?

On Fri, Oct 12, 2007 at 10:49:13PM +0200, Frank Lichtenheld wrote: > On Sat, Sep 29, 2007 at 10:09:19PM +0200, Frank Lichtenheld wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 02, 2007 at 09:26:23PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > > > Attached is a patch to dpkg which implements a check for a 'build-arch' > > > target usin

Bug#229357: Can we require build-arch/indep targets for lenny?

On Mon, Jul 02, 2007 at 09:26:23PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > Attached is a patch to dpkg which implements a check for a 'build-arch' > target using 'make -f debian/rules -qn build-arch'. Is there actually a defined semantic for make -qn ? The make info manual states: "It is an error to use m

Bug#229357: Can we require build-arch/indep targets for lenny?

Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Fri, Jun 29, 2007 at 11:11:04PM +0200, Bill Allombert wrote: >> One of the issue is that tools like sbuild and pbuilder which want to >> take advantage of the Build-Depends-Indep split needs to know whether >> dpkg-buildpackage will call debian/rule

Bug#229357: Can we require build-arch/indep targets for lenny?

Russ Allbery writes ("Re: Can we require build-arch/indep targets for lenny?"): > Lo?c Minier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Why not promote these to requirements in a particular policy version > > instead? I fear we will have to list 10 Build-Options in all packages > > in a couple of years.

Bug#229357: Can we require build-arch/indep targets for lenny?

Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Mon, Jul 02, 2007 at 03:28:05PM +0200, Simon Richter wrote: >>> Running debian-rules can always have side effects and can actively >>> rely on them so a "--has-target" can not be implemented cleanly in >>> make. >> >> I am proposing hooking into the

Bug#229357: Can we require build-arch/indep targets for lenny?

On 02/07/07 at 21:26 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > Lucas has agreed to doing a full archive rebuild with a modified dpkg-dev, > for comparison with the previous test. A dpkg-dev binary including this > change can be found at > . Hi,

Bug#229357: Can we require build-arch/indep targets for lenny?

Hi, Wouter Verhelst wrote: $(shell ls temp-target-* && rm temp-target-*): Yes, that's broken, but there are your side effects, and you'll have to run this code if you want to make your --has-target work. Yes, that is exactly what I'm proposing. The same thing happens for -q mode now.

Bug#229357: Can we require build-arch/indep targets for lenny?

Hi, Ian Jackson wrote: We want the package to _declare_ whether it supports this new target. Ideally, we'd want all packages to support the new target, and then turn that into policy, otherwise we'll end up supporting both for a very long time. The proposed -Options field will actually b

Bug#229357: Can we require build-arch/indep targets for lenny?

On Mon, Jul 02, 2007 at 03:28:05PM +0200, Simon Richter wrote: >> Running debian-rules can always have side effects and can actively >> rely on them so a "--has-target" can not be implemented cleanly in >> make. > > I am proposing hooking into the logic that ultimately decides that > there is no su

Bug#229357: Can we require build-arch/indep targets for lenny?

On Fri, Jun 29, 2007 at 11:11:04PM +0200, Bill Allombert wrote: > One of the issue is that tools like sbuild and pbuilder which want to > take advantage of the Build-Depends-Indep split needs to know whether > dpkg-buildpackage will call debian/rules build or build-arch. It needs to know no such t

Bug#229357: Can we require build-arch/indep targets for lenny?

On Tue, Jul 03, 2007 at 10:01:47AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Tue, Jul 03, 2007 at 09:54:03AM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > > So, an idea: what about checking "make -f /dev/null blah 2>/dev/null" first, > > for some portability? > > What 'blah' are you planning to use that's guaranteed to n

Bug#229357: Can we require build-arch/indep targets for lenny?

On Tue, Jul 03, 2007 at 06:07:54PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > Steve Langasek writes ("Re: Bug#229357: Can we require build-arch/indep > targets for lenny?"): > > Attached is a patch to dpkg which implements a check for a 'build-arch' > > target using 'm

Bug#229357: Can we require build-arch/indep targets for lenny?

On Tue, Jul 03, 2007, Steve Langasek wrote: > > So, an idea: what about checking "make -f /dev/null blah 2>/dev/null" first, > > for some portability? > > What 'blah' are you planning to use that's guaranteed to not have broken > side-effects in some cases on Debian packages? How about: "blah

Bug#229357: Can we require build-arch/indep targets for lenny?

Simon Richter writes ("Re: Bug#229357: Can we require build-arch/indep targets for lenny?"): > The entire issue circles around not being able to reliably detect > whether the target is present using a simple script. But who said it has > to be a script? We want the package t

Bug#229357: Can we require build-arch/indep targets for lenny?

Steve Langasek writes ("Re: Bug#229357: Can we require build-arch/indep targets for lenny?"): > Attached is a patch to dpkg which implements a check for a 'build-arch' > target using 'make -f debian/rules -qn build-arch'. Why are we so resistant to the new

Bug#229357: Can we require build-arch/indep targets for lenny?

On Tue, Jul 03, 2007 at 09:54:03AM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Mon, Jul 02, 2007 at 09:26:23PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > > I believe the attached patch has the following characteristics: > > - Behavior on systems where 'make' is not GNU make is undefined. > > Specifically, on such a sys

Bug#229357: Can we require build-arch/indep targets for lenny?

On Mon, Jul 02, 2007 at 09:26:23PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > I believe the attached patch has the following characteristics: > - Behavior on systems where 'make' is not GNU make is undefined. > Specifically, on such a system dpkg is likely to either conclude that > /all/ packages support '

Bug#229357: Can we require build-arch/indep targets for lenny?

On Sun, Jul 01, 2007 at 05:22:31PM +0200, Bill Allombert wrote: > On Sat, Jun 30, 2007 at 09:40:29AM +0200, Andreas Metzler wrote: > > I think that is just wrong. sbuild should not need to know anything > > about dpkg-buildpackage's internals and there is no need for change > > here. The currently

Bug#229357: Can we require build-arch/indep targets for lenny?

Hello, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: The seconds part requires that tools like sbuild and pbuilder know beforehand if build or build-arch will be used. For packages that do not implement build-arch, it is acceptable to call the build target with only B-D installed, because that is the way the

Bug#229357: Can we require build-arch/indep targets for lenny?

Simon Richter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hi, > > Andreas Metzler wrote: > >> --- >> Somehow make dpkg-buildpackage -B make use of the build-arch target >> if present. Either by detecting it automatically or by something like >> #229357. >> --- > > The entire issue circle

Bug#229357: Can we require build-arch/indep targets for lenny?

Hi, Andreas Metzler wrote: --- Somehow make dpkg-buildpackage -B make use of the build-arch target if present. Either by detecting it automatically or by something like #229357. --- The entire issue circles around not being able to reliably detect whether the target i

Bug#229357: Can we require build-arch/indep targets for lenny?

Bill Allombert wrote: > On Sat, Jun 30, 2007 at 09:40:29AM +0200, Andreas Metzler wrote: >> I think that is just wrong. sbuild should not need to know anything >> about dpkg-buildpackage's internals and there is no need for change >> here. The currently used and proven interface is: >> 1. install

Bug#229357: Can we require build-arch/indep targets for lenny?

On Sat, Jun 30, 2007 at 09:40:29AM +0200, Andreas Metzler wrote: > I think that is just wrong. sbuild should not need to know anything > about dpkg-buildpackage's internals and there is no need for change > here. The currently used and proven interface is: > > 1. install Build-Depends for running

Bug#229357: Can we require build-arch/indep targets for lenny?

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (gmane.linux.debian.devel.general) you wrote: > On Fri, Jun 29, 2007 at 12:41:04AM +0300, Guillem Jover wrote: [...] >> I've been pondering on what's the cleanest way to fix it for some time, >> and I tend to agree with Steve about using the make options to test >> fo

Bug#229357: Can we require build-arch/indep targets for lenny?

On Fri, Jun 29, 2007 at 12:41:04AM +0300, Guillem Jover wrote: > > Obviously the dpkg developers are rather busy at the moment. I think > > that the right thing to do is to offer to NMU. > > Errr, what's the rush now to get this fixed? It's something that has > been there like forever, the bug re

Bug#229357: Can we require build-arch/indep targets for lenny?

Hi, On Tue, 2007-06-26 at 14:33:26 +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > Bill Allombert writes ("Re: Can we require build-arch/indep targets for > lenny?"): > > At least, I would feel less alone. > > FWIW, I agree with you. I think the proposed `Build-Options' source > control field is a sensible additio

Bug#229357: Can we require build-arch/indep targets for lenny?

Loïc Minier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, Jun 26, 2007, Joey Hess wrote: >> I think it would also be useful to include 'nostrip' and 'noopt' in the >> Build-Options field, as a way to indicate that the package implements >> those DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS. I also have some Evil Plans for other thi

Bug#229357: Can we require build-arch/indep targets for lenny?

On Tue, Jun 26, 2007, Joey Hess wrote: > I think it would also be useful to include 'nostrip' and 'noopt' in the > Build-Options field, as a way to indicate that the package implements > those DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS. I also have some Evil Plans for other things > that can go in Build-Options, but they'r

Bug#229357: Can we require build-arch/indep targets for lenny?

Bill Allombert wrote: > + The syntax is a list of options separated by > + commas that are implemented in the build process. > + The following options are defined: If commas are used as delimiters, it should use ", " as the delimiter for consistency with other fields u

Bug#229357: Can we require build-arch/indep targets for lenny?

Ian Jackson wrote: > While we are at it we should write a specification for Build-Options, > something like: > > The Build-Options field appears (only) in the first stanza in > debian/control. It gives a whitespace-separated list of options. > The meanings of these options is defined in pol

Bug#229357: Can we require build-arch/indep targets for lenny?

Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I think it would also be useful to include 'nostrip' and 'noopt' in the > Build-Options field, as a way to indicate that the package implements > those DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS. parallel=n as well, while we're at it. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

Bug#229357: Can we require build-arch/indep targets for lenny?

On Tue, Jun 26, 2007 at 02:33:26PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > Bill Allombert writes ("Re: Can we require build-arch/indep targets for > lenny?"): > > In 3 years and a half, I had the time to try all of that... > > So I will try something new: an online petition: > > > > If you would like bug #22

Bug#229357: Can we require build-arch/indep targets for lenny?

Bill Allombert writes ("Re: Can we require build-arch/indep targets for lenny?"): > In 3 years and a half, I had the time to try all of that... > So I will try something new: an online petition: > > If you would like bug #229357 to get an answer, please > send a signed email to the buglog. Pleas