Re: multilevel configuration

2005-06-20 Thread Geert Stappers
On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 04:18:20PM +0200, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) wrote: > On Monday 20 June 2005 15:50, Geert Stappers wrote: > > Where is the counter part of "multilevel config" ? > I'm not sure what you mean here, I got an answer in the previous E-mail in this thread. > KDE always uses mu

Re: less hard coded config files

2005-06-20 Thread Vagrant Cascadian
> > it would only be possible to use debconf values in violation of 10.7.4 > > if the package is in violation by using debconf values to improperly > > edit "conffiles", as 10.7.4 has nothing to do with debconf values. > > > > if the package properly uses debconf values (only on "configuration

Re: Update Configuration File: preserves user changes to config files.

2005-06-20 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 20-06-2005 23:11, Donovan Baarda wrote: > On Mon, 2005-06-20 at 12:24, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > >>-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >>Hash: SHA1 >> >>On 20-06-2005 16:03, Andreas Schuldei wrote: >> >>>On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 02:41:35PM +0200, Jon

Re: patch for 20debian-edu-kdedirs

2005-06-20 Thread Andreas Schuldei
On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 11:05:49AM -0600, Vagrant Cascadian wrote: > i'm wondering if it would be possible to give me svn access to > debian-edu on alioth so as not post patches to the list and whatnot- > i've found the occasional typo and other minor issues in the past, but > didn't bother to subm

Re: multilevel configuration

2005-06-20 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 20-06-2005 09:42, Geert Stappers wrote: > On Sun, Jun 19, 2005 at 08:39:29PM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: > >>[Jonas Smedegaard] >> >>>And you are sure the packages owning those configfiles (and maybe even >>>conffiles) you replace with symlin

[Bug 949] New: KDM should not allow shutdown from the thin clients

2005-06-20 Thread bugzilla-skolelinux
http://bugs.skolelinux.no/show_bug.cgi?id=949 Summary: KDM should not allow shutdown from the thin clients Product: Skolelinux Version: sarge-pr03 Platform: x86 OS/Version: Linux Status: NEW Severity: major Priority

Re: Update Configuration File: preserves user changes to config files.

2005-06-20 Thread Donovan Baarda
On Mon, 2005-06-20 at 12:24, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 20-06-2005 16:03, Andreas Schuldei wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 02:41:35PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > > > >>The problem raised here is that debian-edu packages messes with sla

Re: less hard coded config files

2005-06-20 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 20-06-2005 18:20, Vagrant Cascadian wrote: > it would only be possible to use debconf values in violation of 10.7.4 > if the package is in violation by using debconf values to improperly > edit "conffiles", as 10.7.4 has nothing to do with debconf

Re: Debian Edu CD: One per language?

2005-06-20 Thread Konstantinos Margaritis
On Δευτέρα 20 Ιούνιος 2005 21:02, Jim Oksvold wrote: > > So, I suggested that we split the Debian-Edu/Skolelinux ISO in > > one per language, after all, since the installations will become > > nation-specific after one point, it will make sense to only > > include the stuff we need there. So we mig

Re: Update Configuration File: preserves user changes to config files.

2005-06-20 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 20-06-2005 16:03, Andreas Schuldei wrote: > On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 02:41:35PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > >>The problem raised here is that debian-edu packages messes with slapd >>conf(ig)files. That cannot (in the Debian we have today, Andre

Re: xdebconfigurator

2005-06-20 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Marco Carvalho] > I don't know if this is right place, but I want to know why > xdebconfigurator is not used in Debian instalation. I suspect debian-boot@ would be a better list to ask. I tried to convice the rest of the installer team to include it in the default installation, but failed. --

Re: Debian Edu CD: One per language?

2005-06-20 Thread Jim Oksvold
> So, I suggested that we split the Debian-Edu/Skolelinux ISO in one per > language, after all, since the installations will become > nation-specific after one point, it will make sense to only include > the stuff we need there. So we might have a skolelinux-en.iso, > skolelinux-no.iso, skoleli

patch for 20debian-edu-kdedirs

2005-06-20 Thread Vagrant Cascadian
while trying to figure out how debian-edu does it's magic with KDEDIRS, i think i found a bug in svn (3898) on alioth, a patch is attached. i'm wondering if it would be possible to give me svn access to debian-edu on alioth so as not post patches to the list and whatnot- i've found the occasional

Re: less hard coded config files

2005-06-20 Thread Vagrant Cascadian
> Non-interactive upgrade is new to Debian. It sure is benificial for the > users, but it is new, and not yet working. > The separation of "local admin" and "packaging scripts" is old, and well > defined (oh, apart from surprises and disagreements about clarifications > done as part of the Sarge

Re: cdd-adm, sauce for custom debian distribution administrators

2005-06-20 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 20-06-2005 12:44, Geert Stappers wrote: > On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 10:13:11AM +0200, Andreas Schuldei wrote: >>I think we come closer to the core of the problem when looking at >>the *packaging system* as the problem. In it's present form it is >>no

xdebconfigurator

2005-06-20 Thread Marco Carvalho
I don't know if this is right place, but I want to know why xdebconfigurator is not used in Debian instalation. Sorry for my bad english Thanks -- Marco Carvalho | marcoacarvalho(a)gmail.com http://arrakis.no-ip.info Maceio - Alagoas - Brazil Debian GNU/Linux (Sid) | Kernel 2.6.9-i686 GNU-PG ID:0

Re: German dictionaries broken in sarge?

2005-06-20 Thread RalfGesellensetter
Am Montag, 20. Juni 2005 10:07 schrieb Andreas Tille: > The problem is not yes or no, but *how* should the package be fixed. > IMHO it is an RC bug if there is no clean upgrade path. in aspell we have aspell-de - German dictionary for aspell aspell-de-alt - German dictionary for aspell (old spell

Re: multilevel configuration

2005-06-20 Thread cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis)
On Monday 20 June 2005 15:50, Geert Stappers wrote: > On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 02:29:36PM +0200, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) > wrote: > > I found > debian-edu-config/share/debian-edu/networked-kde2/share/config/kmailrc > in the version control system, > but I didn't find the part that uses it. > >

Re: Update Configuration File: preserves user changes to config files.

2005-06-20 Thread Andreas Schuldei
On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 02:41:35PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > The problem raised here is that debian-edu packages messes with slapd > conf(ig)files. That cannot (in the Debian we have today, Andreas!) be > solved by debian-edu using ucf: Debian-edu is not allowed to mess with > configfiles of

Re: multilevel configuration

2005-06-20 Thread Geert Stappers
On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 02:29:36PM +0200, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) wrote: > - debian-edu-config package > - we add a dir to the KDEDIRS variable (which contains the ordered > searchpath for multilevel configuration of KDE) > in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/20debian-edu-kdedirs script > - description

Re: Update Configuration File: preserves user changes to config files.

2005-06-20 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 20-06-2005 09:57, Geert Stappers wrote: > On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 01:04:09AM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > >>On 19-06-2005 22:44, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: > > > >>>I expect upgrades to keep my configuration, and not present me with an >>>i

Re: less hard coded config files

2005-06-20 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 20-06-2005 10:13, Andreas Schuldei wrote: > On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 01:04:09AM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > >>I believe the local admin (or the CDD tool behaving as if it was the >>local adming - in violation of Debian Policy 10.7.4) can't blam

Re: multilevel configuration

2005-06-20 Thread cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis)
On Monday 20 June 2005 13:40, Geert Stappers wrote: > On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 11:43:57AM +0200, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) wrote: > > On Monday 20 June 2005 09:42, Geert Stappers wrote: > > > > > > How will it fit in the debian-edu-configuration? > > > > we already use it for our custom kde-conf

Re: multilevel configuration

2005-06-20 Thread Geert Stappers
On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 11:43:57AM +0200, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) wrote: > On Monday 20 June 2005 09:42, Geert Stappers wrote: > > How will it fit in the debian-edu-configuration? > we already use it for our custom kde-config (such as it is) > > the main advantage being that we don't have to

Re: cdd-adm, sauce for custom debian distribution administrators

2005-06-20 Thread Geert Stappers
On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 12:44:44PM +0200, Geert Stappers wrote: > What I have in mind is a program that helps administrators > to configure their custom Debian distribution. > > At user side it is like apt-get, hence the name ccd-adm. > > > cdd-adm setup > >This sets up parameters for

cdd-adm, sauce for custom debian distribution administrators

2005-06-20 Thread Geert Stappers
On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 10:13:11AM +0200, Andreas Schuldei wrote: > On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 01:04:09AM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > > I believe the local admin (or the CDD tool behaving as if it was the > > local adming - in violation of Debian Policy 10.7.4) can't blame the > > packaging syste

Re: Debian Edu CD: One per language?

2005-06-20 Thread Andreas Tille
On Mon, 20 Jun 2005, Konstantinos Margaritis wrote: apparent if more languages are to be supported eventually (well, we ARE after world domination right? :-) Yes. :) the stuff we need there. So we might have a skolelinux-en.iso, skolelinux-no.iso, skolelinux-el.iso, etc. I'm not sure whether

Debian Edu CD: One per language?

2005-06-20 Thread Konstantinos Margaritis
Hi all, A few days ago I just did our first Debian-Edu/Skolelinux installation in Greece, here in Nafplion!! At last after lots of beaurocracy we got the green light to do it! hooray!! Everything worked out smoothly using finnarne's pr3 sarge-based CD and we had only little problems (eg. wit

Re: multilevel configuration

2005-06-20 Thread cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis)
On Monday 20 June 2005 09:42, Geert Stappers wrote: > What is "multilevel configuration"? > exactly what it says, having multiple configuration levels for example: - one with the distro default - one with the CDD changes to the distro default - one with the administrator changes - one with user c

Re: less hard coded config files

2005-06-20 Thread Andreas Schuldei
On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 01:04:09AM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > I believe the local admin (or the CDD tool behaving as if it was the > local adming - in violation of Debian Policy 10.7.4) can't blame the > packaging system if changing conffiles into something else than files. I think we come c

Re: German dictionaries broken in sarge?

2005-06-20 Thread Andreas Tille
On Mon, 20 Jun 2005, RalfGesellensetter wrote: Or just because some conservative maintainers fail to understand that new orthography is meant to be compulsary, soon? ;) s/understand/accept/ I failed to understand unreasonable things all my live and have a really hard time to at least to accept

Update Configuration File: preserves user changes to config files.

2005-06-20 Thread Geert Stappers
On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 01:04:09AM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > On 19-06-2005 22:44, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: > > I expect upgrades to keep my configuration, and not present me with an > > impossible question, where neither of the two options presented are > > any good to me. > > > > This

Re: German dictionaries broken in sarge?

2005-06-20 Thread RalfGesellensetter
Am Montag, 20. Juni 2005 07:42 schrieb Andreas Tille: > Because new German orthography just sucks - not the package, the > writing rules and it sucks so hard that even the package transition > fails. ;-) Or just because some conservative maintainers fail to understand that new orthography is mean

multilevel configuration

2005-06-20 Thread Geert Stappers
On Sun, Jun 19, 2005 at 08:39:29PM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: > [Jonas Smedegaard] > > And you are sure the packages owning those configfiles (and maybe even > > conffiles) you replace with symlinks properly handle their files being > > replaced with symlinks? > > Your question only focus o

Re: less hard coded config files

2005-06-20 Thread Geert Stappers
On Sun, Jun 19, 2005 at 07:54:06PM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: > [Geert Stappers] > > > What I would like to see is a construction that uses .in files, same > > idea as autoconf does. Have a look at this unified diff: > > Something like this would be nice, to make it more flexible. It is >