Re: Can we get rid of network-manager?

2011-02-24 Thread Mike Gabriel
Hi Andi (Mundt), Klaus & list, On Do 24 Feb 2011 12:29:04 CET Klaus Knopper wrote: Hello Mike and list, On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 11:03:18AM +0100, Mike Gabriel wrote: Hi Klaus, Am Donnerstag, 24. Februar 2011, 00:37:45 schrieb Klaus Knopper: > Hi all, > > However, I found that another way of

Re: Can we get rid of network-manager?

2011-02-24 Thread Finn-Arne Johansen
On 23. feb. 2011 21:09, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: > [Andreas B. Mundt] >> After these changes, the machine seems to work. Can we make sure >> that NetworkManager isn't installed from the beginning? IIRC we >> already had discussions about that issue, but I don't remember the >> final conclusions (

Re: Can we get rid of network-manager?

2011-02-24 Thread Klaus Knopper
Hello Mike and list, On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 11:03:18AM +0100, Mike Gabriel wrote: > Hi Klaus, > > Am Donnerstag, 24. Februar 2011, 00:37:45 schrieb Klaus Knopper: > > Hi all, > > > > However, I found that another way of avoiding conflicts between > > NetworkManager and ifup/ifdown is possible b

Re: Can we get rid of network-manager?

2011-02-24 Thread L. Redrejo
El jue, 24-02-2011 a las 11:03 +0100, Mike Gabriel escribió: > Hi Klaus, > > Am Donnerstag, 24. Februar 2011, 00:37:45 schrieb Klaus Knopper: > > Hi all, > > > > However, I found that another way of avoiding conflicts between > > NetworkManager and ifup/ifdown is possible by just making NetworkMa

Re: Can we get rid of network-manager?

2011-02-24 Thread Klaus Knopper
Hi Andreas, On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 08:03:57AM +0100, Andreas Tille wrote: > On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 12:37:45AM +0100, Klaus Knopper wrote: > > > I have not tested but wouldn't it be sufficient to let a relevant > > > metapackage simply conflict with network-manager? From my understanding > > > t

Re: Can we get rid of network-manager?

2011-02-24 Thread Mike Gabriel
Hi Klaus, Am Donnerstag, 24. Februar 2011, 00:37:45 schrieb Klaus Knopper: > Hi all, > > However, I found that another way of avoiding conflicts between > NetworkManager and ifup/ifdown is possible by just making NetworkManager > aware of everything preconfigured in /etc/network/interfaces, and >

Re: Can we get rid of network-manager?

2011-02-23 Thread Andreas Tille
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 12:37:45AM +0100, Klaus Knopper wrote: > > I have not tested but wouldn't it be sufficient to let a relevant > > metapackage simply conflict with network-manager? From my understanding > > the conflict should be "stronger" than recommends (if not I'd consider > > it a bug)

Re: Can we get rid of network-manager?

2011-02-23 Thread Klaus Knopper
Hi all, On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 10:40:38PM +0100, Andreas Tille wrote: > On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 09:09:33PM +0100, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: > > The issue is that apt in Squeeze install recommends by default, > > and NetworkManager is recommended by packages we do want to install. > > We will nee

Re: Can we get rid of network-manager?

2011-02-23 Thread Andreas Tille
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 09:09:33PM +0100, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: > The issue is that apt in Squeeze install recommends by default, > and NetworkManager is recommended by packages we do want to install. > We will need to rewrite the entire tasksel framework we use to install > packages to do som

Re: Can we get rid of network-manager?

2011-02-23 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Andreas B. Mundt] > After these changes, the machine seems to work. Can we make sure > that NetworkManager isn't installed from the beginning? IIRC we > already had discussions about that issue, but I don't remember the > final conclusions (if any). > To me it looks as if NetworkManager is unneces

Can we get rid of network-manager?

2011-02-23 Thread Andreas B. Mundt
Hi, when installing the workstation profile (I tested this in combination with the ltsp-server-profile), the network-manager package seems to spoil the installed system. First, it removes the dhcp interface by adding '#NetworkManager#' in front of the relevant line in /etc/network/interfaces: a