Re: Not much about: should we ship iceweasel (firefox) on the first cd?

2007-03-08 Thread Gjermund Skogstad
torsdag 8. mars 2007, 18:39, skrev RalfGesellensetter: > Dear Gjermund, > > Am Donnerstag 08 März 2007 06:35 schrieb Gjermund Skogstad: > > anecdote  n ~ (about sb/sth) a short, interesting or amusing story > > about a real person or event. > > > > (Oxford advanced learners dictionary, fifth editio

Re: Not much about: should we ship iceweasel (firefox) on the first cd?

2007-03-08 Thread RalfGesellensetter
Dear Gjermund, Am Donnerstag 08 März 2007 06:35 schrieb Gjermund Skogstad: > anecdote  n ~ (about sb/sth) a short, interesting or amusing story > about a real person or event. > > (Oxford advanced learners dictionary, fifth edition.) > > Please don't put words in my mouth, I'm not amused by it! >

Re: should we ship iceweasel (firefox) on the first cd?

2007-03-08 Thread Dominique Rousseau
Le Fri, Mar 02, 2007 at 11:59:48PM +0100, Holger Levsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit: > Hi, > > On Thursday 01 March 2007 22:17, Knut Yrvin wrote: > > 1. Using a unbranded globe, could make the similarities good > > enough for schools. > > I'm starting to think (after reading the whole thread) th

Not much about: should we ship iceweasel (firefox) on the first cd?

2007-03-07 Thread Gjermund Skogstad
onsdag 7. mars 2007, 15:57, skrev RalfGesellensetter: > Am Montag 05 März 2007 23:40 schrieb Gjermund Skogstad: > > I kind of like that anecdote ... > > Dear Gjermund, > > this urban myth is quite old. The truth is that the degree of > permutation needs to be quite low in order to keep the text rea

Re: should we ship iceweasel (firefox) on the first cd?

2007-03-07 Thread RalfGesellensetter
Am Montag 05 März 2007 23:40 schrieb Gjermund Skogstad: > I kind of like that anecdote ... Dear Gjermund, this urban myth is quite old. The truth is that the degree of permutation needs to be quite low in order to keep the text readable. Task for junior coders: write a bash script producing a r

Re: should we ship iceweasel (firefox) on the first cd?

2007-03-06 Thread Ole-Anders Andreassen
- wrote: I frequently watch The National Geographic Channel, and not so long ago they used to run a short video sequence (in the commercial context) saying something along the line of: (from memory) "Rsenet sduites of the hmaun brinas way to porecss wirtten txet sohws taht it deos not matetr

Re: should we ship iceweasel (firefox) on the first cd?

2007-03-06 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Mar 04, 2007 at 03:11:38PM +0100, Herman Robak wrote: > I think that, sadly, it is quite natural to aquire both slang > _and_ typos from a foreign language. I have seen it enough to think they are not typos. Using it in the wrong context can cause ambiguity which may cause problems in doc

Re: should we ship iceweasel (firefox) on the first cd?

2007-03-05 Thread Gjermund Skogstad
søndag 4. mars 2007, 15:11, skrev Herman Robak: > On Mon, 2007-03-05 at 01:50 +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 02, 2007 at 08:31:31PM +0100, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) wrote: > > > No i'm not it's the exact same problem of paying more then something is > > > >

Re: should we ship iceweasel (firefox) on the first cd?

2007-03-05 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Saturday 03 March 2007 00:49, Knut Yrvin wrote: > http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/79 > http://cbeard.typepad.com/mozilla/2006/10/mozilla_and_ubu.html Interesting, but I couldn't figure out what the details of the actual deal are. regards, Holger pgpjldz0dJFys.pgp

Re: should we ship iceweasel (firefox) on the first cd?

2007-03-04 Thread Herman Robak
On Mon, 2007-03-05 at 01:50 +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: > On Fri, Mar 02, 2007 at 08:31:31PM +0100, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) wrote: > > No i'm not it's the exact same problem of paying more then something is > > > worth in order to g

Re: should we ship iceweasel (firefox) on the first cd?

2007-03-04 Thread cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis)
On Sunday 04 March 2007, Chris Bannister wrote: > On Fri, Mar 02, 2007 at 08:31:31PM +0100, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) wrote: > > No i'm not it's the exact same problem of paying more then something is > > > worth in order to get a simpl

Re: should we ship iceweasel (firefox) on the first cd?

2007-03-04 Thread Chris Bannister
On Fri, Mar 02, 2007 at 08:31:31PM +0100, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) wrote: > No i'm not it's the exact same problem of paying more then something is > worth in order to get a simple brand name. Sorry to be picky, but "then" should be t

Re: should we ship iceweasel (firefox) on the first cd?

2007-03-02 Thread vagrant
On Sat, Mar 03, 2007 at 04:02:50AM +0100, Halvor Dahl wrote: > Knut Yrvin wrote: > >- By negotiate, it could be possible to make a win-win deal for > > both Debian-Edu and Mozilla. I don't know if this works, > > but Chris Beards blog sums up an opening: > > > > http://cbeard.typepad.com/moz

Re: should we ship iceweasel (firefox) on the first cd?

2007-03-02 Thread Halvor Dahl
Knut Yrvin wrote: - Canonical were able to keep the Firefox brand. See this blog: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/79 - By negotiate, it could be possible to make a win-win deal for both Debian-Edu and Mozilla. I don't know if this works, but Chris Beards blog sums up an openin

Re: should we ship iceweasel (firefox) on the first cd?

2007-03-02 Thread Knut Yrvin
* Knut Yrvin > > 2. Deliberate a bit more with Mozilla Foundation, because the Debian > >   people did not have time for now to negotiation. Canonical pulled > >   this of. * Holger Levsen > Knut, can you please rephrase that, I dont understand what you mean. - Debian did not got time to negotia

Re: should we ship iceweasel (firefox) on the first cd?

2007-03-02 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Thursday 01 March 2007 22:17, Knut Yrvin wrote: > 1. Using a unbranded globe, could make the similarities good > enough for schools. I'm starting to think (after reading the whole thread) that for etch it might be the best to drop iceweasel from the first CD: a.) we need more space b.)

Re: should we ship iceweasel (firefox) on the first cd?

2007-03-02 Thread Halvor Dahl
cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) wrote: Well here's some commercial thinking 101: focus on your strengths not your weaknesses when pitching your product. So get the conversion to go something like the following: Q: What browser are you using? A: We use premier standards-compliant browser that builds

Re: should we ship iceweasel (firefox) on the first cd?

2007-03-02 Thread cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis)
On Friday 02 March 2007, Halvor Dahl wrote: > cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) wrote: > > On Friday 02 March 2007, Halvor Dahl wrote: > >> I agree. There is no need wasting space for iceweasel on the first CD > >> because people will probably install Firefox from Mozilla anyway. > > > > that's like sayi

Re: should we ship iceweasel (firefox) on the first cd?

2007-03-02 Thread Herman Robak
On Fri, 2007-03-02 at 17:10 +0100, Halvor Dahl wrote: > cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) wrote: > > Debian really didn't have any choice in this case, Mozilla didn't grant us > > the right to use the firefox name, and won't unless we give up the right to > > fix things when they break. Since that's on

Re: should we ship iceweasel (firefox) on the first cd?

2007-03-02 Thread Halvor Dahl
cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) wrote: On Friday 02 March 2007, Halvor Dahl wrote: I agree. There is no need wasting space for iceweasel on the first CD because people will probably install Firefox from Mozilla anyway. that's like saying you won't use generic drugs only the brand name equ

Re: should we ship iceweasel (firefox) on the first cd?

2007-03-02 Thread cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis)
On Friday 02 March 2007, Halvor Dahl wrote: > I agree. There is no need wasting space for iceweasel on the first CD > because people will probably install Firefox from Mozilla anyway. that's like saying you won't use generic drugs only the brand name equivalents. Even though the only difference

Re: should we ship iceweasel (firefox) on the first cd?

2007-03-02 Thread cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis)
On Friday 02 March 2007, nigel barker wrote: > I have regular battles with parents, where I have to justify our use of > free software. I work at quite an expensive school where many of our > parents work with MS products every day, and believe their kids should > too. how about starting from the

Re: should we ship iceweasel (firefox) on the first cd?

2007-03-02 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Halvor Dahl] > It is incredible that the Debian and Mozilla people couldn't agree > on this, and I can really understand people ridiculing the iceweasel > name and the never-ending quarreling between all the small fractions > in the open source community. If Debian is so hard-necked about > every

Re: should we ship iceweasel (firefox) on the first cd?

2007-03-02 Thread Halvor Dahl
I agree. There is no need wasting space for iceweasel on the first CD because people will probably install Firefox from Mozilla anyway. It is incredible that the Debian and Mozilla people couldn't agree on this, and I can really understand people ridiculing the iceweasel name and the never-endi

Re: should we ship iceweasel (firefox) on the first cd?

2007-03-02 Thread nigel barker
I have regular battles with parents, where I have to justify our use of free software. I work at quite an expensive school where many of our parents work with MS products every day, and believe their kids should too. Firefox, however, is one app I usually don't have to defend. I am afraid that will

Re: should we ship iceweasel (firefox) on the first cd?

2007-03-02 Thread Ronny Aasen
Halvor Dahl wrote: Luk Claes wrote: You do understand that if you consider using the Firefox name in Debian-Edu that you have to ask Mozilla if all changes are OK and that this means if you do it properly quite some changes to the Debian version? It's not like Mozilla took care that you only h

Re: should we ship iceweasel (firefox) on the first cd?

2007-03-01 Thread Knut Yrvin
On Thursday 1. March 2007, Luk Claes wrote: > You do understand that if you consider using the Firefox name in Debian-Edu > that you have to ask Mozilla if all changes are OK and that this means if > you do it properly quite some changes to the Debian version? Yes. I've read the bug-track where

Re: should we ship iceweasel (firefox) on the first cd?

2007-03-01 Thread Halvor Dahl
Luk Claes wrote: You do understand that if you consider using the Firefox name in Debian-Edu that you have to ask Mozilla if all changes are OK and that this means if you do it properly quite some changes to the Debian version? It's not like Mozilla took care that you only have to change the name

Re: should we ship iceweasel (firefox) on the first cd?

2007-03-01 Thread Luk Claes
Knut Yrvin wrote: > On Tuesday 27. February 2007, Halvor Dahl wrote: >> Firefox and OpenOffice.org are by far the two best brand names ever >> produced by the open source community > > According to Wikipedia: > > In February of 2006, Mike Connor, representing the Mozilla Foundation, > wrot

Re: should we ship iceweasel (firefox) on the first cd?

2007-03-01 Thread Knut Yrvin
On Tuesday 27. February 2007, Halvor Dahl wrote: > Firefox and OpenOffice.org are by far the two best brand names ever > produced by the open source community According to Wikipedia: In February of 2006, Mike Connor, representing the Mozilla Foundation, wrote to Debian and informed them th

Re: should we ship iceweasel (firefox) on the first cd?

2007-03-01 Thread Knut Yrvin
On Tuesday 27. February 2007, Bjarne Nielsen wrote: > I have had several reports on systems more or less crashing when 10 pupils >   or more tried to use Gimp simultaneously. Gimp seems to have several memory problems if not tuned to a multiuser environment. Former version of Gimp crashed the sys

Re: should we ship iceweasel (firefox) on the first cd?

2007-03-01 Thread Knut Yrvin
On Tuesday 27. February 2007, RalfGesellensetter wrote: > P.S: Ooo and Gcompris are most space consuming. My idea was always, to > offer one CD for primary schools (no OOo), and one for secondary level > (Ooo, but no Gcompris). I talked with the Gcompris lead developer at FOSDEM. They already have

Alternatives to GIMP //Was Re: should we ship iceweasel (firefox) on the first cd?

2007-02-27 Thread RalfGesellensetter
Am Dienstag 27 Februar 2007 19:43 schrieb RalfGesellensetter: > What is other's experience with GIMP on thin client networks? As for arts, I found this interesting article by a professor, watching his students' reaction after being switched to GNU/Linux: http://business.newsforge.com/article.pl?

Re: should we ship iceweasel (firefox) on the first cd?

2007-02-27 Thread RalfGesellensetter
Dear Bjarne, Am Dienstag 27 Februar 2007 17:21 schrieb Bjarne Nielsen: ... > > Examples, please? > > I'm sorry, but my statement was mainly based on reports from teachers > using skolelinux sarge. They complain about pages not working, and in > most cases if I tell them to use mozilla/firefox it w

Re: should we ship iceweasel (firefox) on the first cd?

2007-02-27 Thread Bjarne Nielsen
On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 17:34:41 +0100, Philipp Hübner @ SLZ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hey! Bjarne Nielsen schrieb: I'm sorry, but my statement was mainly based on reports from teachers using skolelinux sarge. They complain about pages not working, and in most cases if I tell them to use moz

Re: should we ship iceweasel (firefox) on the first cd?

2007-02-27 Thread Bjarne Nielsen
On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 16:24:43 +0100, RalfGesellensetter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dear List, in most cases, Konqueror works fine. Iceweasle however, is not supported by every web page (its browser tag that is). Is Opera meant to be on the CD as well? As for browsers, we need something like Mo

Re: should we ship iceweasel (firefox) on the first cd?

2007-02-27 Thread RalfGesellensetter
Dear List, in most cases, Konqueror works fine. Iceweasle however, is not supported by every web page (its browser tag that is). Is Opera meant to be on the CD as well? As for browsers, we need something like Mozilla composer/NVU anyway, so we could think about trading Iceweasle for Mozilla su

Re: should we ship iceweasel (firefox) on the first cd?

2007-02-26 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Halvor Dahl] > From a marketing perspective it would be a complete disaster to > remove iceweasel (Firefox) or OpenOffice.org which has also been > suggested. Firefox and OpenOffice.org are by far the two best brand > names ever produced by the open source community, and we really need > that ext

Re: should we ship iceweasel (firefox) on the first cd?

2007-02-26 Thread Halvor Dahl
Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: [Patrick Winnertz] I think we should give it a try, to have a look what is removed from the cd. if it is to much I'll remove iceweasel again. Sounds good. firefox used to be on the first CD, and thus iceweasel should take its place. I'm not sure if icewease

Re: should we ship iceweasel (firefox) on the first cd?

2007-02-26 Thread Bjarne Nielsen
On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 23:12:44 +0100, Patrick Winnertz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Am Montag, den 26.02.2007, 22:59 +0100 schrieb Bjarne Nielsen: On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 22:32:01 +0100, Petter Reinholdtsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [Patrick Winnertz] >> I think we should give it a try, to have

Re: should we ship iceweasel (firefox) on the first cd?

2007-02-26 Thread Bjarne Nielsen
On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 22:32:01 +0100, Petter Reinholdtsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [Patrick Winnertz] I think we should give it a try, to have a look what is removed from the cd. if it is to much I'll remove iceweasel again. Sounds good. firefox used to be on the first CD, and thus iceweas

Re: should we ship iceweasel (firefox) on the first cd?

2007-02-26 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Patrick Winnertz] > I think we should give it a try, to have a look what is removed from the > cd. if it is to much I'll remove iceweasel again. Sounds good. firefox used to be on the first CD, and thus iceweasel should take its place. I'm not sure if iceweasel is that much better than konquero

should we ship iceweasel (firefox) on the first cd?

2007-02-26 Thread Patrick Winnertz
Hey, I've added iceweasel on the first cd, unfortunately this removes gimp completly from it(and somehow the locales are not on the cd... this means that iceweasel would take much more space than now) Now iceweasel need with all dependencys (but without locales) 8807kb, if we would add all lo