Bug#167409: glibc 2.3.1: breaks XEmacs builds; system breaks on revert to 2.2.5

2002-11-06 Thread Junichi Uekawa
I'm glad to hear GNU Emacs builds fine. What version? (Ie, if it's recent CVS there's some chance that they've already dealt with the glibc change. I have a couple more reports, I'm reasonably sure that the glibc change is it.) I believe the version in Debian is not the bleeding edge CVS

Bug#167409: glibc 2.3.1: breaks XEmacs builds; system breaks on revert to 2.2.5

2002-11-06 Thread Junichi Uekawa
I'm glad to hear GNU Emacs builds fine. What version? (Ie, if it's recent CVS there's some chance that they've already dealt with the glibc change. I have a couple more reports, I'm reasonably sure that the glibc change is it.) I believe the version in Debian is not the bleeding edge CVS

Bug#167409: glibc 2.3.1: breaks XEmacs builds; system breaks on revert to 2.2.5

2002-11-04 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Mark == Mark Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mark You need to downgrade everything that depends on the new Mark libc before downgrading libc itself. dpkg should have told Mark you this when you were doing the downgrade (IIRC it should Mark have required some explicit cooercion

Bug#167409: glibc 2.3.1: breaks XEmacs builds; system breaks on revert to 2.2.5

2002-11-04 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Junichi == Junichi Uekawa [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Junichi It failed to build in my pbuilder run as well, not sure Junichi if it is problem of glibc or xemacs. It's almost surely an XEmacs problem (supporting unexec is not glibc's problem), for which I believe we have a workaround

Bug#167409: glibc 2.3.1: breaks XEmacs builds; system breaks on revert to 2.2.5

2002-11-04 Thread Daniel Jacobowitz
On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 12:43:22AM +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: Daniel going to preserve forward compatibility, we might as well Daniel stop developing the library. It is absolutely impossible Daniel to add new functions, change the size of data structures, Daniel change

Bug#167409: glibc 2.3.1: breaks XEmacs builds; system breaks on revert to 2.2.5

2002-11-04 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Daniel == Daniel Jacobowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Daniel Ahem? You'd prefer we just stopped including libdb1 Daniel entirely and let all programs using it go to rot? That's Daniel what upstream did. And that's exactly what Ben Collins tried to do. He told me that it was a

Bug#167409: glibc 2.3.1: breaks XEmacs builds; system breaks on revert to 2.2.5

2002-11-04 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Mark == Mark Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mark You need to downgrade everything that depends on the new Mark libc before downgrading libc itself. dpkg should have told Mark you this when you were doing the downgrade (IIRC it should Mark have required some explicit cooercion

Bug#167409: glibc 2.3.1: breaks XEmacs builds; system breaks on revert to 2.2.5

2002-11-04 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Junichi == Junichi Uekawa [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Junichi It failed to build in my pbuilder run as well, not sure Junichi if it is problem of glibc or xemacs. It's almost surely an XEmacs problem (supporting unexec is not glibc's problem), for which I believe we have a workaround

Bug#167409: glibc 2.3.1: breaks XEmacs builds; system breaks on revert to 2.2.5

2002-11-04 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Daniel == Daniel Jacobowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Daniel You're talking about _forward_ compatibility. If we're OK. Daniel going to preserve forward compatibility, we might as well Daniel stop developing the library. It is absolutely impossible Daniel to add new

Bug#167409: glibc 2.3.1: breaks XEmacs builds; system breaks on revert to 2.2.5

2002-11-04 Thread Daniel Jacobowitz
On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 12:43:22AM +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: Daniel going to preserve forward compatibility, we might as well Daniel stop developing the library. It is absolutely impossible Daniel to add new functions, change the size of data structures, Daniel change

Bug#167409: glibc 2.3.1: breaks XEmacs builds; system breaks on revert to 2.2.5

2002-11-04 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Daniel == Daniel Jacobowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Daniel Ahem? You'd prefer we just stopped including libdb1 Daniel entirely and let all programs using it go to rot? That's Daniel what upstream did. And that's exactly what Ben Collins tried to do. He told me that it was a

Bug#167409: glibc 2.3.1: breaks XEmacs builds; system breaks on revert to 2.2.5

2002-11-04 Thread Daniel Jacobowitz
On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 02:25:43AM +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: Daniel == Daniel Jacobowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Daniel Ahem? You'd prefer we just stopped including libdb1 Daniel entirely and let all programs using it go to rot? That's Daniel what upstream did.

Bug#167409: glibc 2.3.1: breaks XEmacs builds; system breaks on revert to 2.2.5

2002-11-04 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Daniel == Daniel Jacobowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Daniel You're not listening to yourself. I was objecting to your Daniel comment that we did _worse_ than upstream on Daniel compatibility. Which is untrue. Depends on how you look at it. As far as I'm concerned, neither glibc

Bug#167409: glibc 2.3.1: breaks XEmacs builds; system breaks on revert to 2.2.5

2002-11-02 Thread Jeff Bailey
On Sat, 2002-11-02 at 02:32, Junichi Uekawa wrote: After upgrading to glibc 2.3.1, I can't build XEmacs without the portable dumper Please provide the text of the actual error message. It failed to build in my pbuilder run as well, not sure if it is problem of glibc or xemacs. 8

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2002-11-02 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
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Bug#167409: glibc 2.3.1: breaks XEmacs builds; system breaks on revert to 2.2.5

2002-11-02 Thread Daniel Jacobowitz
severity 167409 important thanks I'm not going to comment on the dumper problem, since I haven't looked at it; the dumper has a history of being grossly non-portable, I'm not surprised to see it break. I want to explain something to you about severity and compatibility, though. On Sat, Nov 02,

Bug#167409: glibc 2.3.1: breaks XEmacs builds; system breaks on revert to 2.2.5

2002-11-02 Thread Mark Brown
On Sat, Nov 02, 2002 at 03:42:17PM +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: it. Dammit, for libc, of all packages, it is not acceptable to break backward compatibility, even if upstream does! There always has to be the escape hatch of reversion to previous.) So do all the basic system utilities

Bug#167409: glibc 2.3.1: breaks XEmacs builds; system breaks on revert to 2.2.5

2002-11-02 Thread Herbert Xu
Mark Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You need to downgrade everything that depends on the new libc before downgrading libc itself. dpkg should have told you this when you were doing the downgrade (IIRC it should have required some explicit cooercion to do the downgrade). 1. dpkg does

Bug#167409: glibc 2.3.1: breaks XEmacs builds; system breaks on revert to 2.2.5

2002-11-02 Thread Stephen J . Turnbull
Package: glibc Version: 2.3.1 Severity: critical ... and yes, it is critical, even if it only affects Emacs maintainers. When it manifests, it's quite possible that the whole system will break. After upgrading to glibc 2.3.1, I can't build XEmacs without the portable dumper, at least the

Bug#167409: glibc 2.3.1: breaks XEmacs builds; system breaks on revert to 2.2.5

2002-11-02 Thread Jeff Bailey
On Sat, 2002-11-02 at 01:42, Stephen J.Turnbull wrote: After upgrading to glibc 2.3.1, I can't build XEmacs without the portable dumper Please provide the text of the actual error message. Tks, Jeff Bailey -- When you get to the heart, use a knife and fork. - From instructions on how to

Bug#167409: glibc 2.3.1: breaks XEmacs builds; system breaks on revert to 2.2.5

2002-11-02 Thread Junichi Uekawa
At Sat, 02 Nov 2002 15:42:17 +0900, Stephen J.Turnbull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would assume this will also affect GNU Emacs and possibly other applications that use unexec to build preloaded versions. emacs21 seems to build fine. regards, junichi

Bug#167409: glibc 2.3.1: breaks XEmacs builds; system breaks on revert to 2.2.5

2002-11-02 Thread Junichi Uekawa
At 02 Nov 2002 02:10:37 -0500, Jeff Bailey wrote: [1 text/plain (quoted-printable)] On Sat, 2002-11-02 at 01:42, Stephen J.Turnbull wrote: After upgrading to glibc 2.3.1, I can't build XEmacs without the portable dumper Please provide the text of the actual error message. It failed

Bug#167409: glibc 2.3.1: breaks XEmacs builds; system breaks on revert to 2.2.5

2002-11-02 Thread Jeff Bailey
On Sat, 2002-11-02 at 02:32, Junichi Uekawa wrote: After upgrading to glibc 2.3.1, I can't build XEmacs without the portable dumper Please provide the text of the actual error message. It failed to build in my pbuilder run as well, not sure if it is problem of glibc or xemacs. 8

Processed: Re: Bug#167409: glibc 2.3.1: breaks XEmacs builds; system breaks on revert to 2.2.5

2002-11-02 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Processing commands for [EMAIL PROTECTED]: severity 167409 important Bug#167409: glibc 2.3.1: breaks XEmacs builds; system breaks on revert to 2.2.5 Severity set to `important'. thanks Stopping processing here. Please contact me if you need assistance. Debian bug tracking system

Bug#167409: glibc 2.3.1: breaks XEmacs builds; system breaks on revert to 2.2.5

2002-11-02 Thread Daniel Jacobowitz
severity 167409 important thanks I'm not going to comment on the dumper problem, since I haven't looked at it; the dumper has a history of being grossly non-portable, I'm not surprised to see it break. I want to explain something to you about severity and compatibility, though. On Sat, Nov 02,

Bug#167409: glibc 2.3.1: breaks XEmacs builds; system breaks on revert to 2.2.5

2002-11-02 Thread Mark Brown
On Sat, Nov 02, 2002 at 03:42:17PM +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: it. Dammit, for libc, of all packages, it is not acceptable to break backward compatibility, even if upstream does! There always has to be the escape hatch of reversion to previous.) So do all the basic system utilities

Bug#167409: glibc 2.3.1: breaks XEmacs builds; system breaks on revert to 2.2.5

2002-11-02 Thread Junichi Uekawa
Dumping under the name xemacs Testing for Lisp shadows ... Fatal error (11). Your files have been auto-saved. Use `M-x recover-session' to recover them. Ugh. I don't know elisp at all. I'll need someone else to do some analysis on this to figure out what's up. It's not

Bug#167409: glibc 2.3.1: breaks XEmacs builds; system breaks on revert to 2.2.5

2002-11-02 Thread Herbert Xu
Mark Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You need to downgrade everything that depends on the new libc before downgrading libc itself. dpkg should have told you this when you were doing the downgrade (IIRC it should have required some explicit cooercion to do the downgrade). 1. dpkg does

Bug#167409: glibc 2.3.1: breaks XEmacs builds; system breaks on revert to 2.2.5

2002-11-01 Thread Jeff Bailey
On Sat, 2002-11-02 at 01:42, Stephen J.Turnbull wrote: After upgrading to glibc 2.3.1, I can't build XEmacs without the portable dumper Please provide the text of the actual error message. Tks, Jeff Bailey -- When you get to the heart, use a knife and fork. - From instructions on how to

Bug#167409: glibc 2.3.1: breaks XEmacs builds; system breaks on revert to 2.2.5

2002-11-01 Thread Junichi Uekawa
At Sat, 02 Nov 2002 15:42:17 +0900, Stephen J.Turnbull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would assume this will also affect GNU Emacs and possibly other applications that use unexec to build preloaded versions. emacs21 seems to build fine. regards, junichi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to