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2000-10-30 Thread Brent A . Fulgham
I've uploaded a build of Tcl 8.3, with Tk 8.3 to follow, and hopefully Objective CAML shortly thereafter. I seem to recall there being a problem with dh_strip. Can anyone tell me (if this is true) what the resolution for this was? I'm getting a few builds that crash on dh_strip due to a "permiss

Re: boot floppies/new distro.

2000-10-30 Thread Philip Charles
On 30 Oct 2000, Karl M. Hegbloom wrote: > Philip> I have not found anyone to host them yet. > > Is this still true? I can put them in my HTTP directory on > people.debian.org if you like. Let me know where I can grab them. > The problem is that I have very limited space and I am limited

Re: boot floppies/new distro.

2000-10-30 Thread Philip Charles
On Mon, 30 Oct 2000, Roland McGrath wrote: > > > "Philip" == Philip Charles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > Philip> On Wed, 25 Oct 2000, ryan.tecco wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >> these boot floppies - do they work with the new distro? > > >> what's the location of the n

Re: [Hurd-alpha-devel] Re: L4 instead of gnumach?

2000-10-30 Thread Farid Hajji
> If you just want to examine the L4 API, you might just as well use > L4Linux; all L4 system calls are available. There is also a small > multi-server OS available for L4KA which would make interesting study > material. A small multi-server OS for L4Ka? Where? I'm running L4ka's template root_

Re: Device drivers implemented as translators?

2000-10-30 Thread Farid Hajji
> is it possible/practical to implement device drivers under Hurd as > translators in user space? I think of removing all the device drivers > from GNUmach (or whatever micro kernel we use then ;), which already > make this micro kernel quite big. Then, you could for example settrans > /hurd/devi

Re: Porting the Hurd to L4 (glibc dependencies, dropping glibc?)

2000-10-30 Thread Farid Hajji
Roland, > > need to reply like this. Basically, you suggest nothing less than to shut > > up and do our own non-approved stuff without asking for feedback from the > > list. This is asking for a split in development :-((( Sad perspectives..., > > but splits are necessary sometimes. > I didn't say

Re: boot floppies/new distro.

2000-10-30 Thread Roland McGrath
> > "Philip" == Philip Charles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Philip> On Wed, 25 Oct 2000, ryan.tecco wrote: > >> > >> > >> these boot floppies - do they work with the new distro? > >> what's the location of the new distro and the boot floppies? > >> > > Philip

Re: boot floppies/new distro.

2000-10-30 Thread Karl M. Hegbloom
> "Philip" == Philip Charles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Philip> On Wed, 25 Oct 2000, ryan.tecco wrote: >> >> >> these boot floppies - do they work with the new distro? >> what's the location of the new distro and the boot floppies? >> Philip> I have not found a

Re: [Hurd-alpha-devel] Re: L4 instead of gnumach?

2000-10-30 Thread Niels Möller
Ad Buijsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The HURD relies heavily on mach: ports are used profusely and threads > are assumed to be available in bucketloads. L4 offers nothing like > ports and the maximum numbers of threads per task is quite limited. > There are ways to overcome the latter, but

Re: L4 instead of gnumach?

2000-10-30 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 07:18:48PM +0100, Erik Verbruggen wrote: > > My concerns last time I looked at L4 was > > > > (i) It was written in C++, which I dislike (that's a religious > > question, and this is not the right place to argue the details). > > Erm, ok, you took that implementati

Re: [Hurd-alpha-devel] Re: L4 instead of gnumach?

2000-10-30 Thread Ad Buijsen
> > However, I think Mach emulation would be a good thing as the first > step, because you will be able to investigate how different L4 is from > Mach and what would be necessary to be done in details. But I'd like > to point out that Mach emulation should be temporary but not a > permanent sol

Re: L4 instead of gnumach?

2000-10-30 Thread Erik Verbruggen
On Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 06:28:41PM +0100, Niels Möller wrote: > Erik Verbruggen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Ok, I think the L4 stuff needs a bit of background. Special for Niels: I > > started doing a Sparc port, but there were some problems which are > > similair to those that the Alpha por

Re: Newbie - Network problems

2000-10-30 Thread Daniel Mattner
Ok, I don't get dselect-apt to work. I can update the filr containing the package description. I can also select the packages. But, I can not download them. The package download starts fine, but nothing is received. The screen is filled up with lines of: 0% . Query . and after a while i ge

Re: Adaptec 2940UW problem

2000-10-30 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
Am Mon, 30 Okt 2000 18:05:57 schrieb Martin Maciaszek: > On Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 02:01:28PM +0100, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: > > Am Mon, 30 Okt 2000 13:09:08 schrieb Martin Maciaszek: > > > I tried to install GNU/Hurd on my computer. AFAIR Hurd supports > > > the Adaptec AHA-2940UW. So I unpacked the

Re: L4 instead of gnumach?

2000-10-30 Thread Niels Möller
Erik Verbruggen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Ok, I think the L4 stuff needs a bit of background. Special for Niels: I > started doing a Sparc port, but there were some problems which are > similair to those that the Alpha port has, so that's why I react. Thanks for the info. I've tried browsing

Re: Adaptec 2940UW problem

2000-10-30 Thread Martin Maciaszek
On Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 02:01:28PM +0100, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: > Am Mon, 30 Okt 2000 13:09:08 schrieb Martin Maciaszek: > > I tried to install GNU/Hurd on my computer. AFAIR Hurd supports > > the Adaptec AHA-2940UW. So I unpacked the tarball. Unfortunately > > the kernel doesn't boot very far. I

Re: L4 instead of gnumach?

2000-10-30 Thread Erik Verbruggen
*long explanation alert* Ok, I think the L4 stuff needs a bit of background. Special for Niels: I started doing a Sparc port, but there were some problems which are similair to those that the Alpha port has, so that's why I react. (oh, and I have an Alpha, so I'm also interested in the Alpha po

DHCP client

2000-10-30 Thread Dimitri Ara
Hi, I didn't find any dhcp clients in the Sid packages. Does it exist a Hurd DHCP client? If not, does Hurd support all the features such a client need (I think so)? -- Belle idée mais ça ne marche pas. Fufe est plein de fufistes. -+- JR in: Guide du Cabaliste Usenet - Fa f'est vrai,

Re: [Hurd-alpha-devel] Re: L4 instead of gnumach?

2000-10-30 Thread Niklas Höglund
On 30 Oct 2000, Niels Möller wrote: > Erik Verbruggen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > What about security? I don't know L4 much (although a read some paper > on it a long time ago, the last time Hurd on L4 was discussed). My > impression was that L4 was a lot different from Mach. As the HURD > re

Re: Device drivers implemented as translators?

2000-10-30 Thread Niels Möller
Moritz Schulte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Then, you could for example settrans /hurd/devices/floppy to > /dev/fd0 and had your floppy drive available as /dev/fd0. What do > you think about it? Is it practical? This would also make the Hurd > more independent from the underlying micro kernel, be

Re: Device drivers implemented as translators?

2000-10-30 Thread David Welch
On 30 Oct 2000, Moritz Schulte wrote: > Hello, > > is it possible/practical to implement device drivers under Hurd as > translators in user space? I think of removing all the device drivers > from GNUmach (or whatever micro kernel we use then ;), which already > make this micro kernel quite b

Re: Adaptec 2940UW problem

2000-10-30 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
Am Mon, 30 Okt 2000 13:09:08 schrieb Martin Maciaszek: > I tried to install GNU/Hurd on my computer. AFAIR Hurd supports > the Adaptec AHA-2940UW. So I unpacked the tarball. Unfortunately > the kernel doesn't boot very far. It detects the Adaptec but > hangs there. From Linux I know that the next s

Device drivers implemented as translators?

2000-10-30 Thread Moritz Schulte
Hello, is it possible/practical to implement device drivers under Hurd as translators in user space? I think of removing all the device drivers from GNUmach (or whatever micro kernel we use then ;), which already make this micro kernel quite big. Then, you could for example settrans /hurd/device

Re: Adaptec 2940UW problem

2000-10-30 Thread Moritz Schulte
Martin Maciaszek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I tried to install GNU/Hurd on my computer. AFAIR Hurd supports > the Adaptec AHA-2940UW. So I unpacked the tarball. Unfortunately > the kernel doesn't boot very far. It detects the Adaptec but > hangs there. From Linux I know that the next step would

Adaptec 2940UW problem

2000-10-30 Thread Martin Maciaszek
I tried to install GNU/Hurd on my computer. AFAIR Hurd supports the Adaptec AHA-2940UW. So I unpacked the tarball. Unfortunately the kernel doesn't boot very far. It detects the Adaptec but hangs there. From Linux I know that the next step would be to detect the devices attached to the Adaptec. But

Re: [Hurd-alpha-devel] Re: L4 instead of gnumach?

2000-10-30 Thread Niels Möller
Ron Farrer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Great! Let's see what everyone thinks. If the majory think this is > worthwile (I do, and hope everyone else does) then we'll see how we can=20 > organize specific tasks for people...=20 I could cast my vote here, but that would be pointless. It doesn't re

Re: [Hurd-alpha-devel] Re: L4 instead of gnumach?

2000-10-30 Thread Niels Möller
Erik Verbruggen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Indeed. The nice thing about L4 is that it's simple and lean, and > therefore fast. The emulation layer will definitely reduce speed. For > example with IPC: I think the way to emulate the Mach behaviour (and to > circumvent the page alignment) is to c

Re: gnupg under X

2000-10-30 Thread Martin Stenzel
Yes, the culprit is 'xterm' After compiling rxvt (thanks for the patch, Marcus) the command 'file /dev/tty' gives me 'character special (0/0) in rxvt. So now it works. Too bad I do not have the time to check the xterm source, Marcus said it is hard to read (spaghetti). And Ctrl-Z, Ctrl-C work i

Re: [Hurd-alpha-devel] Re: L4 instead of gnumach?

2000-10-30 Thread Erik Verbruggen
On Sat, Oct 28, 2000 at 09:14:18AM +0900, OKUJI Yoshinori wrote: > From: Ron Farrer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Hurd-alpha-devel] Re: L4 instead of gnumach? > Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 16:19:30 -0700 > > > This is not completely decided. A MACH emulation layer for L4 was the > > original idea

link down on gnu hurd's main page

2000-10-30 Thread kiwi
The link ("easy guide to installing the Hurd on a Linux box.") seems to be down and has been that way for over a month. Can someone fix it.

Re: Porting the Hurd to L4 (glibc dependencies, dropping glibc?)

2000-10-30 Thread Radovan Garabik
On Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 03:49:01PM -0500, Roland McGrath wrote: > > Is it _absolutely_ necessary to use glibc with the Hurd? > > Why on earth would one want not to? The Hurd developers have no interest > whatsoever in using anything but the GNU C library for the GNU system. think about embedded