Re: heads up

2005-03-20 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
Please, don't lecture me about the Hurd being perfect; it's not. Trust me, I won't lecture you about that, but I might lecture your about how unperfect it is. A friend at the AI lab once gave the following dream as an example of a well-functioning system: It all sounds like a Lisp Machi

Re: Question about NAT on Debian GNU/Hurd

2005-03-20 Thread Rafael Alfaro
On Sun, 2005-03-20 at 13:48 +0100, Marco Gerards wrote: > rafael alfaro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Hi all! I am from El Salvador (Central America), an electronics > > undergraduate and I want to collaborate with this project, I want to > > know if somebody already has written code to imple

Re: heads up

2005-03-20 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Thread moved over to bug-hurd since it's about design and not Debian GNU/Hurd per se. Alfred Szmidt had pointed out that a dpkg installation translator (one where you copy a .deb into a directory to install it into the system) cannot be easily written, because Debian package installation scripts

Re: heads up

2005-03-20 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
> *wink* how do you purpose to somehow get some kind of interactive > input from the user when you do a file-system call? This is a shortcoming in the design of the Hurd (gasp!). I think you mean that it is a shortcoming in the design of things that are not or cannot be interactive, file

Re: heads up

2005-03-20 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
"Alfred M. Szmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > *wink* how do you purpose to somehow get some kind of interactive > input from the user when you do a file-system call? This is a shortcoming in the design of the Hurd (gasp!). What works is a "user interaction context" widget, passed to servers s

RE: Question about NAT on Debian GNU/Hurd

2005-03-20 Thread Maurice McCarthy
Hi Marco Your help here is very welcome. You just happen to have called at a bad time when there is an argument going on. I'm afraid I'm not a programmer but only a user so I cannot help you very well but someone will come to talk. Welcome Maurice >-Original Message- >From: rafael alfaro

Re: Question about NAT on Debian GNU/Hurd

2005-03-20 Thread Marco Gerards
rafael alfaro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hi all! I am from El Salvador (Central America), an electronics > undergraduate and I want to collaborate with this project, I want to > know if somebody already has written code to implement NAT, if it is not > thus, I want to do this like thesis in my

Re: heads up

2005-03-20 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
Keep track of the conversation. You were supposed to be saying that the Hurd cannot get Debian to agree to /usr->/ for the Hurd, and you're wrong. Why switch to getting rid of the symlink? Because *we didn't have shadowfs*. How many times must I explain the same point? Bogus, the

Re: heads up

2005-03-20 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
"Alfred M. Szmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > My sentence was unclear, what I meant was why change from /usr -> / > (which has been long in use) and then back again to /usr -> / when the > plan has always been to have that symlink or atleast have a translator > sitting there. Removing the syml

Re: heads up

2005-03-20 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
Why change back? Because it's better that way. My sentence was unclear, what I meant was why change from /usr -> / (which has been long in use) and then back again to /usr -> / when the plan has always been to have that symlink or atleast have a translator sitting there. Removing the symlink

Re: heads up

2005-03-20 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
"Alfred M. Szmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >And as I said, we need shadow translators. Once we have them, we >could create /usr->/ with little fuss. > > We already have a read-only (write support is flakey) implementation > of unionfs. But why change _back_ to /usr -> / when that wa

Re: heads up

2005-03-20 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
And as I said, we need shadow translators. Once we have them, we could create /usr->/ with little fuss. We already have a read-only (write support is flakey) implementation of unionfs. But why change _back_ to /usr -> / when that was used for years? Let's change this around. What prob

Re: heads up

2005-03-20 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
"Alfred M. Szmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >It would be easy to change /usr; we would need to have shadow >translators, make existing packages install (which is trivial with >the /usr->/ symlink), and so forth. > > We don't have a /usr -> / symlink anymore. It is optional, and th