Re: mach is dead...isn't it?

2002-08-05 Thread Paul Emsley
On Mon, 2002-08-05 at 22:14, Catalin wrote: > > From what I see it is planned to stop developing the mach mircokernel > and use L4 instead. > Why are you still asting your time with mach??? Precisely where did you see *any* of the Hurd developers say that development of Mach or the Hurd for Mach

Re: J1 iso images available

2002-08-04 Thread Paul Emsley
On Sun, 2002-08-04 at 05:17, Andrew Mitchell wrote: > On Sun, Aug 04, 2002 at 02:02:55PM +1200, Philip Charles wrote: > > The upload to ftp://ftp.fsn.hu/pub/CDROM-Images/debian-unofficial/hurd > > is now completed and the images are now propagating around the other > > sites. > > Small correction:

Re: texmacs package => how to debug a hurd problem?

2002-07-30 Thread Paul Emsley
On Tue, 2002-07-30 at 11:15, PUYDT Julien wrote: > So now I need to learn how to debug a program under the hurd... Any > advice? > There are several discussions of using gdb with the Hurd in the archives. Here is one: http://lists.debian.org/debian-hurd/2000/debian-hurd-22/msg00191.html

Re: Thank you!

2002-07-16 Thread Paul Emsley
On Tue, 2002-07-16 at 11:28, Jesse Wang wrote: > I'm a Chinese newcomer in GNU. Welcome. > I've been with Redhat Linux for several months.Because of integrated > chips,I spend much time looking for and installing variable drivers > for CMI8738 sound chips and PCTEL Micro modem chips.It's really

Re: where do NEW packages go?

2002-05-22 Thread Paul Emsley
Hi, Those with a long memory will know that that this has been been considered for a while, just ask Rick and Thomas (whover he may be) ;^) http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&threadm=40l8od%24ia9%40news4.digex.net&rnum=7&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Drick%2Bniles%2Bgroup:gnu.misc.*%26hl%3Den%26lr%3

Re: [XXX] menu package broken, trouble with Emacs21

2002-05-15 Thread Paul Emsley
On Tue, 2002-05-14 at 22:09, Johannes Rohr wrote: > > The compiler complains about a parse error before "{" in the included > file "adstring.h" (from the same dir) in line 26: > class String:public string{ > If Daniel's message was not sufficient, then I suggest that you follow the advice of James

Re: Hurd T-Shirts - anyone?

2002-03-23 Thread Paul Emsley
On Sat, 2002-03-23 at 01:19, Wolfgang Jährling wrote: > How about having a slogan on the shirts? Maybe one of the following? > > The GNU Hurd - be a part of it! > The GNU Hurd - login and get stoned! > The GNU Hurd - because Un*x has been obsolete for so many years now > The GNU Hurd - becaus

pptop [was Re: Various bugs]

2001-10-18 Thread Paul . Emsley
Just in case James was being a bit obscure: > From bug-hurd " " == Miles Bader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Matthew Wilcox writes: > > [This reply just addresses a few of the points in the original. Bugs > noted, however!] > > > * tcsh/csh, whereis & top ar

Re: gnu-20011016.tar.gz available

2001-10-17 Thread Paul Emsley
I'd be happy if someone could explain to ignorant me what serverboot did and why getting rid of it is a good thing. Thanks, Paul. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.chem.gla.ac.uk/~paule

slashdot interest

2001-10-16 Thread Paul . Emsley
As you may already know, or not care, Debian GNU/Hurd gets a mention on slashdot: http://slashdot.org/articles/01/10/15/2357255.shtml Jeff and others have been defending the flag...

getch() broken

2001-10-14 Thread Paul . Emsley
Hi, I mailed about this a few weeks before and didn't find resolution (but thanks to Mark nevertheless). AFAICT, getch() in ncurses is broken. The program test-q attached should exit when 'q' is pressed. On GNU/Linux, it does so. On GNU/Hurd it does not

Re: ncurses strangeness?

2001-10-02 Thread Paul Emsley
> "MP" == Mark Paulus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: MP> When you say, "exits (as I expect)", what exactly do you mean MP> by that statement? I meant that exit(0) gets executed. MP> Does it not quit? No (not on GNU/Hurd). MP> Is the terminal messed up?

ncurses strangeness?

2001-10-01 Thread Paul . Emsley
Hi, I will toying with ncurses and found this strange behaviour: On GNU/Linux, the program exits (as I expect) when "q" is pressed. On GNU/Hurd, it does not. [I compiled also for SGI IRIX (using curses) and the program does exit, but also logs me out(

Re: Debian GNU or Debian GNU/Hurd?

2001-09-27 Thread Paul Emsley
> "DKT" == David K Trudgett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: DKT> PS I may have been dreaming, but I'm pretty sure I read DKT> messages on this list some time ago that implied that "Debian DKT> GNU/Hurd" had already been decided on as the official DKT> name. Maybe it was just someon

Re: journaling filesystems

2001-08-29 Thread Paul Emsley
Lars Roland has a go at JFS a while ago[1]. Not sure how far he got. Paul. [1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-hurd/2000/debian-hurd-26/msg00012.html -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.chem.gla.ac.uk/~paule

Re: 40% mark crossed

2001-08-08 Thread Paul Emsley
> "MB" == Marcus Brinkmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: MB> It's the [system] which can run several operating systems in parallel. You mean like Mach? ;^) Anyway, sounds ideal for a Hurd multicomputer. When can we get one? :-) -- [EMAIL PROTEC

Re: Xgalaga

2001-08-06 Thread Paul Emsley
> "MB" == Marcus Brinkmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: MB> We have no local sound support yet. Just out of interest, what's needed? (I mean to get something like linux has (rather than the Hurd "smarts" you were discussing earlier)). I presume that using oskit-mach wou

Re: Problem with libgtop

2001-07-11 Thread Paul Emsley
> "tp" == thomas poindessous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: tp> Hi, I tried to rebuild gkrellm. It depends of libgtop-dev. I tp> got an error while rebuilding libgtop because it can't find tp> /usr/share/libtool/ltconfig (the debian/rules file create a tp> symlink). I can't find l

Re: errno strageness (in lpr)

2001-07-11 Thread Paul Emsley
> "Robbe" == Robert Bihlmeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Robbe> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >> printjob.o(.text+0x34ad): undefined reference to >> `__errno_location' Robbe> #define errno (*__hurd_errno_location ()) Robbe> Not '__errno_location'. Robbe> Seems like som

errno strageness (in lpr)

2001-07-11 Thread Paul . Emsley
Hi, Following Marcus' message[1], I thought I'd have a look at lpr. dh_testdir pmake CFLAGS="-O2" CPPFLAGS="-D_BSD_SOURCE" all ===> lpc all ===> lpd cc -o lpd lpd.o printjob.o recvjob.o displayq.o rmjob.o startdaemon.o lpdchar.o common.o key.o modes.o getcap.o printjob.o

Re: Installation woes

2001-07-11 Thread Paul Emsley
> "Yoginder" == Yoginder Handoo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Yoginder> I recently downloaded the hurd files and had problems Yoginder> getting the hurd to configure correctly. I want to Yoginder> compile the hurd os on my linux machine, could you Yoginder> please help me out

Re: F3 CDs - report.

2001-07-09 Thread Paul Emsley
Phil, I presume that you fixed the hostname problem by creating a name in /etc/hostname. To fix the name lookup add a host entry to /etc/hosts for your hostname, e.g: $ cat /etc/hostname bob $ cat /etc/hosts 127.0.0.1 bob localhost

[OT] Re: Anyone has read the FSF Usenix speech ?

2001-07-09 Thread Paul Emsley
> "TL" == Thierry Laronde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: TL> Hello, After coming back from the Debian Conference --- where TL> we heard Marcus about the HURD ---, Lucky fellow. I would like to have gone. http://www.niksula.cs.hut.fi/~ateras/travel/debian_conference/au

Re: (failed) packages

2001-07-01 Thread Paul Emsley
>>>>> "MB" == Marcus Brinkmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: MB> On Sat, Jun 30, 2001 at 04:24:29AM +0100, Paul Emsley wrote: >> I took a look at this list and it seems to me that about 80% of >> the "fail"s are the MAXPATHLEN,

/usr in /etc/profile

2001-07-01 Thread Paul . Emsley
base-files provides /etc/profile /etc/profiles sets the default $PATH. The default $PATH contains /usr path elements. Would it be a good idea to remove the redundant /usr parts of the path elements? Paul.

Re: (failed) packages

2001-06-29 Thread Paul Emsley
> "MV" == Matthew Vernon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: MV> Jeff Bailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Any package that says "failed" needs someone to look at it. >> There are a number of packages that should only be compiled >> under linux. There are packages that have bad debia

util-linux [was Re: remote X applications]

2001-06-29 Thread Paul Emsley
>>>>> " " == Glenn Alexander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Friday 29 June 2001 02:16, Paul Emsley wrote: >> Actually, it was very easy, I changed __linux__ to __GNU__ in >> mcookie.c and typed make. Tada! (I think also that prngd

Re: remote X applications

2001-06-28 Thread Paul Emsley
> "MB" == Marcus Brinkmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: MB> Can you please try to port [mcookie]? Actually, it was very easy, I changed __linux__ to __GNU__ in mcookie.c and typed make. Tada! (I think also that prngd should be used as one of the RNG, but I didn't in

Re: remote X applications

2001-06-27 Thread Paul Emsley
> "OV" == Oystein Viggen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: OV> Normally, I would use ssh X forwarding for this, but ssh (both OV> server and client) seems ATM to be most useful for crashing OV> pfinet. Obviously this is not always a desirable property of OV> the program. I

remote X applications

2001-06-27 Thread Paul . Emsley
Hi, It would be convenient for me to be able to display X applications from my GNU/Linux box on my GNU/Hurd X server. However, I am not even able to get xclock working remotely. Has anyone has success with this? I used "xhost +" on the X server machin

apt-get source .. [was Re: loading shared objects at run time and recursive locks]

2001-06-07 Thread Paul Emsley
> "MB" == Marcus Brinkmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: MB> Yes, that's fine. MB> If apt doesn't work, you have to go to MB> http://http.us.debian.org/pool/g/guile and fetch the most MB> recent dsc, orig.tar.gz and diff.gz (if any) manually. Then MB> you can do MB> dp

the end is near [was Re: and now ?]

2001-06-03 Thread Paul Emsley
> "kbd" == karim ben djedidia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: kbd> Hi, Hi, kbd> I've just installed hurd-i386 and ok it works, great ! but - kbd> where is the doc (if any) ??? do you know about hurddocs.sourceforge.net? kbd> I just see some stuff about mach, a

interesting NFS behaviour [was Re: interesting ORBit behavior]

2001-06-03 Thread Paul Emsley
> "Roland" == Roland McGrath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Roland> The really interesting question to me is why it worked Roland> some of the time and not the rest of the time. But you Roland> might not be as interested in that as I am. I would like to add that I had seen

Re: debugging apt-get (was: Re: dynamic-linking)

2001-06-02 Thread Paul Emsley
> Some people seem to get this, although apt-get works great for me. > That seens to be another bug. FYI I compiled apt-get for deugging. The result is appended. I couldn't sort it out, but if I were to guess, I would guess that the pkgSrcRecords constructor is producing

Re: dynamic-linking

2001-06-02 Thread Paul Emsley
Hi, Yes, the process appears to wait for something, yes the keyboard entries are echoed. No, I can't interupt it with ^C or suspend it either. Re: getting the source: How do I do that the proper way? I tried: $ apt-get source guile Reading

Re: A common Policy for porting pthread application

2001-05-17 Thread Paul Emsley
> "MB" == Marcus Brinkmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: MB> On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 05:02:07PM +0530, Aneesh Kumar K.V MB> wrote: MB> [Insert a pointer to the existing pthreads efforts here, MB> which I don't have. hurd.sf.net?] http://lists.debian.org/debian-hurd-0102/msg00

Re: Where can I get Hurd CD-ROMs?

2001-04-30 Thread Paul Emsley
> "PC" == Philip Charles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: PC> .. it would help Marcus in his "The Hurd should be recognised" PC> campaign. Are you having a little joke here or does this exist and I don't know about it? (And do you mean wrt Debian developers or a more w

Re: scsh: stream_char_readyp

2001-02-12 Thread Paul Emsley
>>>>> "Niels" == Niels Möller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Niels> Paul Emsley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Niels> What is the current legal status of scsh? BSD-style. Niels> Last time I looked, both scheme48 and scsh used t

Re: scsh: stream_char_readyp

2001-02-12 Thread Paul Emsley
> "RMcG" == Roland McGrath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: RMcG> There is similar code in Emacs. Look at the s-gnu.h file in RMcG> the Emacs sources and and what it does for this. Make sure RMcG> to conditionalize properly on _STDIO_USES_IOSTREAM, since RMcG> the iolib definitio

Fisher vs Bushnell: Re: Learning the Hurd HOWTO:

2001-02-12 Thread Paul Emsley
"Towards a New Strategy of OS Design" was written by Trent Fisher or Thomas Bushnell? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.chem.gla.ac.uk/~paule

Re: porting to other architectures (68k no mmu family)

2000-12-06 Thread Paul Emsley
> "Craig" == Craig Comstock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Craig> Hi- Pardon the inane question, but how possible would it be Craig> to port Hurd to processors like 68328/68EZ328/etc... (yes, Craig> palm pilots...) ? Theoretically, yes. Actually the Hurd is designed to be

Re: Fw: Mach, a but choise ?

2000-12-04 Thread Paul Emsley
> "Ezequiel" == Ezequiel Reyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Ezequiel> I concluded that Mach was I wonderful idea to base an Ezequiel> OS on, despite opinions (like Linus,s saying it was Ezequiel> idealistic and very slow). I don't recall him saying that. 10 years ago kern

debiandoc2html (off-topic-ish)

2000-11-27 Thread Paul . Emsley
Hi, Due to my recently unstably upgraded Debian GNU/Linux being messed up (problems with libc0.2 giving apt jip (but I won't go into that here)), I wanted to get dpkg-hurd working on Redhat Linux (with which I am more familiar). Therefore I need dpkg

Re: Hurd swapping

2000-11-09 Thread Paul Emsley
> "KR" == Karsten Rothemund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: KR> But at a certain time I recognized a lot of disk activity (I KR> think the machine began to swap), the console became slow and KR> finally I got messages about page faults. Fortunately I was KR> able to shutdown the m

Re: New

2000-10-22 Thread Paul Emsley
> "NHW" == Neal H Walfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: "ColdWater" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> I started programming in C++ almost 4 years ago (under >> MS-DOS). Most of my experience on it is realted to >> compression/encryption programs (which I love!). 'cause of that >

Re: ah, here it is

2000-09-13 Thread Paul Emsley
-speach is annotated []. I also wish Thomas Bushnell good luck in California. Thanks, Paul Emsley.] Welcome codebytes on Dr Dobbs signetcast, I'm Philip Lourier. [snip] Today's program is about the GNU Hurd, not about a large group of foul smelling thick skinned animals b

Re: HURD top

2000-07-18 Thread Paul Emsley
> "AR" == Andreas Rottmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> > Are there any tools like top, ps, and stuff for the HURD? >> =20 There is ps provided by the Hurd package. There are several >> more tools, check it (dpkg -L hurd) notably vmstat and alike. >> AR> Ah, Thanks.

Re: Three silly questions to the Hurd-Core

2000-03-11 Thread Paul Emsley
> On Fri, Mar 10, 2000 at 09:33:10PM -0500, Lucas C. Wagner wrote: > > > 3) Hurd -- nowadays -- still relies heavily on the mach microkernel. What > > > chance does it (Hurd) have to get ported on another one? Is there another > > > candidate anyway, or this is just a theoretical possibility? > >

Re: Why df does not work

1999-12-22 Thread Paul Emsley
> "Marcus" == Marcus Brinkmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Marcus> The Hurd is a multiserver OS, and there is no central Marcus> authority for mounted filesystems. What we could do is to Marcus> write a database server where filesystems can register Marcus> themselves if they

[Easy Guide] Re: GRUB 0.5.93.1 boot floppy released

1999-11-19 Thread Paul Emsley
> "Matthew" == Matthew Vernon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Matthew, please update the Easy Guide to mention this image >> instead, as it will solve the serverboot and GRUB ext2fs >> problems people have encountered. Matthew> The official version ^^^

gnu-19991025.tar.gz experiences and questions

1999-11-02 Thread Paul . Emsley
Hi, I untarred the gnu-19991025.tar.gz. All worked smoothly. Manic grins. Clean unmounts (hooray!) As a RedHat user I am completely unfamiliar with .debs. Where can I read about how to install and interrogate them? I thought I'd add emacs, gcc, vi

Re: log based filesystems

1999-07-30 Thread Paul Emsley
http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/czezatke/dtfspapers.html Who knows how hard it would be to shoe-horn this into HURD? Paul. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.chem.gla.ac.uk/~paule

Re: Kernel Traffic expands to cover debian-hurd

1999-06-03 Thread Paul Emsley
> "Zack" == Zack Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Zack> Hi, I'm Zack Brown, the author of Kernel Traffic. I've just Zack> started up a similar newsletter covering debian-hurd. The Zack> URL is http://www.kt.opensrc.org/KC/debian-hurd URL> "Debian Hurd is a project to cre