Re: Debian Archive architecture removals

2015-05-06 Thread Thorsten Glaser
[ with my m68k buildd maintainer and (ex-?) porter hat ] Aurelien Jarno dixit: - debian-ports uses mini-dak instead of dak. It uses less resources and brings some features that are useful for new architectures like accepting binary uploads when it improves the version even if it is not the

Re: Debian Archive architecture removals

2015-05-06 Thread Aurelien Jarno
On 2015-05-06 10:44, Thorsten Glaser wrote: [ with my m68k buildd maintainer and (ex-?) porter hat ] Aurelien Jarno dixit: - debian-ports uses mini-dak instead of dak. It uses less resources and brings some features that are useful for new architectures like accepting binary uploads

Re: Debian Archive architecture removals

2015-05-05 Thread Samuel Thibault
Richard Braun, le Tue 05 May 2015 12:27:10 +, a écrit : On Tue, May 05, 2015 at 01:36:57PM +0200, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: Given that the package coverage of the Hurd continuously increased and that it just released 0.6 of its core components[1] along with releasing Debian

Re: Debian Archive architecture removals

2015-05-05 Thread Richard Braun
On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 02:21:00PM +0200, Zlatan Todoric wrote: Really?! So Hurd actually has a sufficient number of developers worldiwde?! And if Devuan is so welcome and Debian so hostile, more power to them, I just don;t know what are you waiting here and polluting our ML with toxic tone!

Re: Debian Archive architecture removals

2015-05-05 Thread Arne Babenhauserheide
Am Montag, 20. April 2015, 00:22:08 schrieb Joerg Jaspert: hurd-i386 = Well before wheezy was released, we talked with the HURD porters, and they agreed to re-check their archive status just after the wheezy release[1]. The plan was to move the HURD port off ftp-master if it wasn't

Re: Debian Archive architecture removals

2015-05-05 Thread Richard Braun
On Tue, May 05, 2015 at 01:36:57PM +0200, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: Given that the package coverage of the Hurd continuously increased and that it just released 0.6 of its core components[1] along with releasing Debian GNU/Hurd[2], this strikes me as an odd time to throw the Hurd off

Re: Debian Archive architecture removals

2015-05-05 Thread Richard Braun
On Tue, May 05, 2015 at 09:17:02AM +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: [Speaking for the debian-hurd team] Lucas Nussbaum, le Mon 04 May 2015 08:28:22 +0200, a écrit : Maybe it's just about supporting and advertising debian-ports as Debian's official way to host second-class architectures. Maybe

Re: Debian Archive architecture removals

2015-05-05 Thread Wookey
+++ Samuel Thibault [2015-05-05 09:17 +0200]: * Getting binNMUs from d-release transitions This saves porters a lot of tedious work that would otherwise be just duplicated. We are not talking about fine-grain binNMUs here, but coarse-grain well-known planned binNMUs. Wanna-build supports

Re: Debian Archive architecture removals

2015-05-05 Thread Samuel Thibault
[Speaking for the debian-hurd team] Lucas Nussbaum, le Mon 04 May 2015 08:28:22 +0200, a écrit : Maybe it's just about supporting and advertising debian-ports as Debian's official way to host second-class architectures. Maybe there's more to it. What are the current downsides of moving

Re: Debian Archive architecture removals

2015-05-05 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 05/05/15 at 09:17 +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: * Appearing on packages' and maintainers' PTS pages like http://buildd.debian.org/bash and https://buildd.debian.org/sthiba...@debian.org * Being considered as second-class citizen Note that our developer dashboards (DDPO, Tracker, DMD) are

Re: Debian Archive architecture removals

2015-05-05 Thread Aurelien Jarno
[ With my debian-ports admin hat ] On 2015-05-04 11:48, Cyril Brulebois wrote: Lucas Nussbaum lu...@debian.org (2015-05-04): I'm wondering if we could find a way to accomodate those architectures in an official way, while still limiting the impact on ftpmasters and other teams. I'm not

Re: Debian Archive architecture removals

2015-05-04 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 20/04/15 at 00:22 +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote: Hi, As the jessie release approaches, the ftp-team have been reviewing the status of the architectures in unstable. Neither sparc nor hurd-i386 are going to release with jessie and we are therefore looking at their future in unstable.

Re: Debian Archive architecture removals

2015-05-04 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Lucas Nussbaum lu...@debian.org (2015-05-04): I'm wondering if we could find a way to accomodate those architectures in an official way, while still limiting the impact on ftpmasters and other teams. I'm not entirely clear on the status of debian-ports.org, and of what the current downsides of

Re: Debian Archive architecture removals

2015-05-04 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 5:48 PM, Cyril Brulebois wrote: Lucas Nussbaum lu...@debian.org (2015-05-04): I'm wondering if we could find a way to accomodate those architectures in an official way, while still limiting the impact on ftpmasters and other teams. I'm not entirely clear on the status of

Re: Debian Archive architecture removals

2015-05-04 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 04/05/15 at 18:04 +0800, Paul Wise wrote: On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 5:48 PM, Cyril Brulebois wrote: Lucas Nussbaum lu...@debian.org (2015-05-04): I'm wondering if we could find a way to accomodate those architectures in an official way, while still limiting the impact on ftpmasters and

Re: Debian Archive architecture removals

2015-05-04 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 13931 March 1977, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: That pad says: As a result of current state, d-ports cannot accept more ports. If that's still true, it would make sense to postpone dropping hurd and sparc until this is fixed... Hurd is already on d-p, so hurd actually has double infrastructure

Re: Debian Archive architecture removals

2015-05-04 Thread Samuel Thibault
Joerg Jaspert, le Mon 04 May 2015 18:11:29 +0200, a écrit : On 13931 March 1977, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: That pad says: As a result of current state, d-ports cannot accept more ports. If that's still true, it would make sense to postpone dropping hurd and sparc until this is fixed...

Re: Debian Archive architecture removals

2015-04-20 Thread Svante Signell
On Mon, 2015-04-20 at 12:50 +0200, Justus Winter wrote: Quoting Joerg Jaspert (2015-04-20 00:22:08) I for one am tired of this discussion popping up each Debian release, and I only had to endure it twice now. Let's ditch Debian in favor of a less hostile downstream distribution. I guess

Re: Debian Archive architecture removals

2015-04-20 Thread Zlatan Todoric
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 04/20/2015 01:49 PM, Svante Signell wrote: On Mon, 2015-04-20 at 12:50 +0200, Justus Winter wrote: Quoting Joerg Jaspert (2015-04-20 00:22:08) I for one am tired of this discussion popping up each Debian release, and I only had to endure

Re: Debian Archive architecture removals

2015-04-20 Thread Svante Signell
On Mon, 2015-04-20 at 13:55 +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: Svante Signell, le Mon 20 Apr 2015 13:49:37 +0200, a écrit : Well, Hurd is welcome to Devuan if sufficiently many developers commit their time to it. Which is the recurring issue. Be it Debian or Devuan doesn't change that.

Re: Debian Archive architecture removals

2015-04-20 Thread Samuel Thibault
Svante Signell, le Mon 20 Apr 2015 13:49:37 +0200, a écrit : On Mon, 2015-04-20 at 12:50 +0200, Justus Winter wrote: Quoting Joerg Jaspert (2015-04-20 00:22:08) I for one am tired of this discussion popping up each Debian release, and I only had to endure it twice now. Let's ditch Debian

Re: Debian Archive architecture removals

2015-04-20 Thread Svante Signell
On Mon, 2015-04-20 at 14:21 +0200, Zlatan Todoric wrote: On 04/20/2015 01:49 PM, Svante Signell wrote: On Mon, 2015-04-20 at 12:50 +0200, Justus Winter wrote: ... I for one am very grateful of all work Samuel and Justus put on Hurd and although I am a Linux user I have big sentimental

Re: Debian Archive architecture removals

2015-04-20 Thread Samuel Thibault
Svante Signell, le Mon 20 Apr 2015 14:38:17 +0200, a écrit : On Mon, 2015-04-20 at 14:27 +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: Svante Signell, le Mon 20 Apr 2015 14:24:34 +0200, a écrit : On Mon, 2015-04-20 at 13:55 +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: Svante Signell, le Mon 20 Apr 2015 13:49:37 +0200,

Re: Debian Archive architecture removals

2015-04-20 Thread Samuel Thibault
Svante Signell, le Mon 20 Apr 2015 14:24:34 +0200, a écrit : On Mon, 2015-04-20 at 13:55 +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: Svante Signell, le Mon 20 Apr 2015 13:49:37 +0200, a écrit : Well, Hurd is welcome to Devuan if sufficiently many developers commit their time to it. Which is the

Re: Debian Archive architecture removals

2015-04-20 Thread Svante Signell
On Mon, 2015-04-20 at 14:27 +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: Svante Signell, le Mon 20 Apr 2015 14:24:34 +0200, a écrit : On Mon, 2015-04-20 at 13:55 +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: Svante Signell, le Mon 20 Apr 2015 13:49:37 +0200, a écrit : Well, Hurd is welcome to Devuan if sufficiently

Re: Debian Archive architecture removals

2015-04-20 Thread Samuel Thibault
Justus Winter, le Mon 20 Apr 2015 12:50:44 +0200, a écrit : Quoting Joerg Jaspert (2015-04-20 00:22:08) We'll be removing HURD, as discussed, from the ftp-master archive after the Jessie release. I never quite understood the benefit of removing the Hurd port from ftp-master. Anyone?

Re: Debian Archive architecture removals

2015-04-20 Thread Justus Winter
Quoting Joerg Jaspert (2015-04-20 00:22:08) We'll be removing HURD, as discussed, from the ftp-master archive after the Jessie release. I never quite understood the benefit of removing the Hurd port from ftp-master. Anyone? I for one am tired of this discussion popping up each Debian release,

Re: Debian Archive architecture removals

2015-04-20 Thread Samuel Thibault
Hello, Joerg Jaspert, le Mon 20 Apr 2015 00:22:08 +0200, a écrit : hurd-i386 = Well before wheezy was released, we talked with the HURD porters, and they agreed to re-check their archive status just after the wheezy release[1]. The plan was to move the HURD port off ftp-master if it

Debian Archive architecture removals

2015-04-19 Thread Joerg Jaspert
Hi, As the jessie release approaches, the ftp-team have been reviewing the status of the architectures in unstable. Neither sparc nor hurd-i386 are going to release with jessie and we are therefore looking at their future in unstable. SPARC =