Re: Best Practices: CGI.pm & CSS2 ???

2004-01-03 Thread Daniel Brown
PHP is not your perfect "template system"; even though it capable of nice and tidy simple web pages, it is worse than embedded HTML in Perl for producing complex pages and large sites. So, even PHP has a problem to solve regarding separation of code and appearance. For that, there are templates s

Re: Best Practices: CGI.pm & CSS2 ???

2004-01-03 Thread Chris Wagner
Speaking of templates have you considered PHP? I would consider that the ultimate template system and the ultimate customization vehicle. Instead of relying on unreliable client side interpretation of style sheets and javascript you have a controllable environment on the server side. Think about

Re: Best Practices: CGI.pm & CSS2 ???

2004-01-03 Thread Daniel Brown
PHP is not your perfect "template system"; even though it capable of nice and tidy simple web pages, it is worse than embedded HTML in Perl for producing complex pages and large sites. So, even PHP has a problem to solve regarding separation of code and appearance. For that, there are templates s

Re: Best Practices: CGI.pm & CSS2 ???

2004-01-03 Thread Chris Wagner
Speaking of templates have you considered PHP? I would consider that the ultimate template system and the ultimate customization vehicle. Instead of relying on unreliable client side interpretation of style sheets and javascript you have a controllable environment on the server side. Think about

Re: Best Practices: CGI.pm & CSS2 ???

2004-01-02 Thread Rod Rodolico
My two cents. I agree that using a template driven system is much better than CGI.pm, especially if you are using CSS. Whether you do a roll your own template processor or use HTML::Template, it works to allow the design of the site to be separated from the function of it. I create some of the

Re: Best Practices: CGI.pm & CSS2 ???

2004-01-02 Thread Rod Rodolico
My two cents. I agree that using a template driven system is much better than CGI.pm, especially if you are using CSS. Whether you do a roll your own template processor or use HTML::Template, it works to allow the design of the site to be separated from the function of it. I create some of the

Re: Best Practices: CGI.pm & CSS2 ???

2003-12-31 Thread Dan MacNeil
CSS is not deprecated. It is not reliable for positioning but it is quite usable for defining text and character styles. If you have ever changed all the font tags in a web site, you will be a CSS fan. If you attempt to validate your HTML against w3.org's validator, you are required to be a fan

Re: Best Practices: CGI.pm & CSS2 ???

2003-12-31 Thread Dan MacNeil
CSS is not deprecated. It is not reliable for positioning but it is quite usable for defining text and character styles. If you have ever changed all the font tags in a web site, you will be a CSS fan. If you attempt to validate your HTML against w3.org's validator, you are required to be a fan

Re: Best Practices: CGI.pm & CSS2 ???

2003-12-30 Thread Chris Wagner
Ah, "together". Well there's nothing that I know of that would cause a problem simply by virtue of them being used together. CGI.pm is nothing more than html shorthand so that can't really interfere with anything else, unless there's some bug that spits out bad code. They're pretty much self con

Re: Best Practices: CGI.pm & CSS2 ???

2003-12-30 Thread Michael D Schleif
Erik Grinaker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003:12:30:18:05:37+0100] scribed: > On Tue, 2003-12-30 at 17:26, Chris Wagner wrote: > > Cascading Style Sheets. Deprecated. I have seen so many bad uses of style > > sheets it makes me want to cry out in anger. So just don't use them unless > > there's no oth

Re: Best Practices: CGI.pm & CSS2 ???

2003-12-30 Thread Chris Wagner
Heheh, nah no flamewar. Everything you said was strictly speaking true. But at this stage style sheets are like giving a random person off the street a loaded gun. Style sheets can be used to great effect but just be sure u truly know what ur doing. And do testing testing testing. A good regimi

Re: Best Practices: CGI.pm & CSS2 ???

2003-12-30 Thread Chris Wagner
Ah, "together". Well there's nothing that I know of that would cause a problem simply by virtue of them being used together. CGI.pm is nothing more than html shorthand so that can't really interfere with anything else, unless there's some bug that spits out bad code. They're pretty much self con

Re: Best Practices: CGI.pm & CSS2 ???

2003-12-30 Thread Michael D Schleif
Erik Grinaker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003:12:30:18:05:37+0100] scribed: > On Tue, 2003-12-30 at 17:26, Chris Wagner wrote: > > Cascading Style Sheets. Deprecated. I have seen so many bad uses of style > > sheets it makes me want to cry out in anger. So just don't use them unless > > there's no oth

Re: Best Practices: CGI.pm & CSS2 ???

2003-12-30 Thread Chris Wagner
Heheh, nah no flamewar. Everything you said was strictly speaking true. But at this stage style sheets are like giving a random person off the street a loaded gun. Style sheets can be used to great effect but just be sure u truly know what ur doing. And do testing testing testing. A good regimi

Re: Best Practices: CGI.pm & CSS2 ???

2003-12-30 Thread Erik Grinaker
On Tue, 2003-12-30 at 17:26, Chris Wagner wrote: > Cascading Style Sheets. Deprecated. I have seen so many bad uses of style > sheets it makes me want to cry out in anger. So just don't use them unless > there's no other way to do it. They are almost guaranteed to cause > compatibility problems

Re: Best Practices: CGI.pm & CSS2 ???

2003-12-30 Thread Chris Wagner
I can tell you some stuff about that right now. CGI.pm is just a quick and dirty module that will save on some typing in your perl script. Emphasis on some. If you're doing anything more than basic html tags it quickly becomes not worth it anymore. Writing tag attributes takes up more time and

Re: Best Practices: CGI.pm & CSS2 ???

2003-12-30 Thread Erik Grinaker
On Tue, 2003-12-30 at 17:26, Chris Wagner wrote: > Cascading Style Sheets. Deprecated. I have seen so many bad uses of style > sheets it makes me want to cry out in anger. So just don't use them unless > there's no other way to do it. They are almost guaranteed to cause > compatibility problems

Re: Best Practices: CGI.pm & CSS2 ???

2003-12-30 Thread Chris Wagner
I can tell you some stuff about that right now. CGI.pm is just a quick and dirty module that will save on some typing in your perl script. Emphasis on some. If you're doing anything more than basic html tags it quickly becomes not worth it anymore. Writing tag attributes takes up more time and

Best Practices: CGI.pm & CSS2 ???

2003-12-29 Thread Michael D Schleif
Please, somebody point me to URL's that provide examples and best practices of using CSS2, CGI.pm and XHTML v1.x. -- Best Regards, mds mds resource 877.596.8237 - Dare to fix things before they break . . . - Our capacity for understanding is inversely proportional to how much we think we know.

Best Practices: CGI.pm & CSS2 ???

2003-12-29 Thread Michael D Schleif
Please, somebody point me to URL's that provide examples and best practices of using CSS2, CGI.pm and XHTML v1.x. -- Best Regards, mds mds resource 877.596.8237 - Dare to fix things before they break . . . - Our capacity for understanding is inversely proportional to how much we think we know.