Re: Newbie: Is there a basic Debian-for-ISP HOWTO?

2002-08-02 Thread Nathan
On Thursday, August 1, 2002, at 04:23 PM, Marcin Sochacki wrote: IMO, exim and postfix are comparable and there's no huge difference which favours one of them. I use exim in all my installations, they are usually small to medium size, but even with big ones, I would consider exim as a good MTA. A l

Re: Newbie: Is there a basic Debian-for-ISP HOWTO?

2002-08-01 Thread Marcin Sochacki
On Thu, Aug 01, 2002 at 10:55:58AM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote: > exim is basically smail done right. > > it's adequate for a small site with low mail volumes, but it doesn't > scale very well. Have you got some real experimental data about exim's scalability or just guessing? > IMO, exim is a po

Re: Newbie: Is there a basic Debian-for-ISP HOWTO?

2002-07-31 Thread Craig Sanders
On Tue, Jul 30, 2002 at 03:49:31PM +0100, Shri Shrikumar wrote: > On Tue, 2002-07-30 at 03:35, Craig Sanders wrote: > > alternatively, just run postfix. it does everything that qmail does > > and more, with a lot less hassle. > > What about exim ? It is installed as standard by debian. exim is b

Re: Newbie: Is there a basic Debian-for-ISP HOWTO?

2002-07-30 Thread Donovan Baarda
On Tue, Jul 30, 2002 at 03:49:35PM -0700, Angus Scott-Fleming wrote: > Thanks to all for an interesting and informative discussion > (so far). It has not degenerated into flamewars; I think > proponents of qmail and postfix have stated their cases well > without descending into wars over The On

Re: Newbie: Is there a basic Debian-for-ISP HOWTO?

2002-07-30 Thread Angus Scott-Fleming
Thanks to all for an interesting and informative discussion (so far). It has not degenerated into flamewars; I think proponents of qmail and postfix have stated their cases well without descending into wars over The One True Way. Angus

Re: Newbie: Is there a basic Debian-for-ISP HOWTO?

2002-07-30 Thread Jorge . Lehner
Hello! On Mon, Jul 29, 2002 at 01:48:57PM -0700, Angus Scott-Fleming wrote: ... > What are your problems with qmail? What do you like about the > Postfix comm. that QMail lacks? Not trolling for flamewars ... My personal experiences: Sendmail - cryptic macro language Exim - delightfull rel

Re: Newbie: Is there a basic Debian-for-ISP HOWTO?

2002-07-30 Thread Shri Shrikumar
On Tue, 2002-07-30 at 03:35, Craig Sanders wrote: > alternatively, just run postfix. it does everything that qmail does and > more, with a lot less hassle. What about exim ? It is installed as standard by debian. I use exim. Is it worth switching ? Shri --

Re: Newbie: Is there a basic Debian-for-ISP HOWTO?

2002-07-30 Thread Bulent Murtezaoglu
> "EvB" == Emile van Bergen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...] me> Sendmail is _very_ flexible but it is probably not good for the me> inexperienced admin. If you are willing to read documentation me> and M4 doesn't scare you, it is a fairly safe bet. EvB> Which bet being safe?

Re: Newbie: Is there a basic Debian-for-ISP HOWTO?

2002-07-30 Thread Emile van Bergen
Hi, On Mon, Jul 29, 2002 at 03:10:42PM -0400, Bulent Murtezaoglu wrote: > [This is exactly the kind of exchange I was trying to avoid, oh well] Yes, but it's fun once in a while, isn't it ;-) > > "EvB" == Emile van Bergen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > EvB> In short, you can only compar

Re: Newbie: Is there a basic Debian-for-ISP HOWTO?

2002-07-29 Thread Craig Sanders
On Mon, Jul 29, 2002 at 05:16:33PM -0400, Bulent Murtezaoglu wrote: > Qmail by default wants to operate by DJB's rules and it tries to > DJB-ize the remainder of your system. This much I know and dislike. that's the major problem with qmail (indeed with all of djb's software). he is a good prog

Re: Newbie: Is there a basic Debian-for-ISP HOWTO?

2002-07-29 Thread Craig Sanders
On Mon, Jul 29, 2002 at 03:35:14PM -0700, Jeremy C. Reed wrote: > > will I need sourcecode for apache to set up suEXEC options for > > virtual hosting in my own choice of directory tree (i.e. > > DocRoot in /www-data instead of the default /var/www)? > > Not needed. You can sometimes use sed. (I

Re: Newbie: Is there a basic Debian-for-ISP HOWTO?

2002-07-29 Thread Jeremy C. Reed
> will I need sourcecode for apache to set up suEXEC options for > virtual hosting in my own choice of directory tree (i.e. > DocRoot in /www-data instead of the default /var/www)? Not needed. You can sometimes use sed. (I say sometimes because sometimes it works with the binary suexec.) Or I ha

Re: Newbie: Is there a basic Debian-for-ISP HOWTO?

2002-07-29 Thread Bulent Murtezaoglu
> "ASF" == Angus Scott-Fleming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...] ASF> What are your problems with qmail? I know it works reasonably well but I have not used it personally myself for any amount of time and certainly not professionally. I did end up troubleshooting it at one point because

Re: Newbie: Is there a basic Debian-for-ISP HOWTO?

2002-07-29 Thread Angus Scott-Fleming
On 29 Jul 2002 at 15:10, Bulent Murtezaoglu wrote: > [This is exactly the kind of exchange I was trying to avoid, oh well] IMHO as a newbie this is just the kind of exchange I was hoping for (trolling for?) ;-) > > "EvB" == Emile van Bergen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > [...] > EvB> In

Re: Newbie: Is there a basic Debian-for-ISP HOWTO?

2002-07-29 Thread Bulent Murtezaoglu
[This is exactly the kind of exchange I was trying to avoid, oh well] > "EvB" == Emile van Bergen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...] EvB> In short, you can only compare qmail and sendmail. Not only EvB> does the latter have a bad reputation for complexity, but for EvB> its amount o

Re: Newbie: Is there a basic Debian-for-ISP HOWTO?

2002-07-29 Thread Emile van Bergen
Hi, On Mon, Jul 29, 2002 at 09:55:20AM -0700, Angus Scott-Fleming wrote: > any comments on qmail or procmail vs sendmail welcome. I've > heard Bad Things about sendmail's complexity but it _is_ the > standard ... what do you use for MLM? mailman? Let's compare apples with apples here ;-) Q

Re: Newbie: Is there a basic Debian-for-ISP HOWTO?

2002-07-29 Thread Angus Scott-Fleming
Did you mean to reply off-list? Please, let's take this back to the list. On 29 Jul 2002 at 12:35, Bulent Murtezaoglu wrote: > > Hi, I occasionally train people on this and the advice that will work > for you depends on what exactly you are after and how you like to > learn. If you enjoy read