Re: Help needed on the Java policy

2008-01-29 Thread Andrew Haley
Matthew Johnson wrote: I have a package which compiles in the sid java-gcj-compat-dev, but only runs with sun java (or, I assume, IBM, but since IBM isn't in the archive, I don't think it's all that important to cater for). I've filed bugs against gcj, which have been fixed upstream, and it

Re: Help needed on the Java policy

2008-01-29 Thread Michael Koch
On Tue, Jan 29, 2008 at 09:47:41AM +, Andrew Haley wrote: Matthew Johnson wrote: I have a package which compiles in the sid java-gcj-compat-dev, but only runs with sun java (or, I assume, IBM, but since IBM isn't in the archive, I don't think it's all that important to cater for). I've

FreeMind and gcj [Re: Help needed on the Java policy]

2008-01-29 Thread Eric Lavarde
Hi Andrew, Andrew Haley wrote: I guess it depends on whether the program fails because a particular runtime has bugs or because the program depends on something it shouldn't use, such as com.sun.* classes. We're pretty complete with respect to 1.4, so I'd like to know what this problem

Re: Help needed on the Java policy

2008-01-29 Thread Eric Lavarde
Hi everybody, thanks for your answers, it looks like we don't have yet a consensus. Let me try to suggest one. POINT 1: I would suggest to modify the Java Policy along these lines: - the specific java runtimes listed before java(2)-runtime are the ones tested by the packager, and for which

Re: Help needed on the Java policy

2008-01-29 Thread Matthias Klose
Eric Lavarde writes: Hi everybody, thanks for your answers, it looks like we don't have yet a consensus. Let me try to suggest one. POINT 1: I would suggest to modify the Java Policy along these lines: - the specific java runtimes listed before java(2)-runtime are the ones tested by

Re: Help needed on the Java policy

2008-01-29 Thread tony mancill
I've been lurking on this thread up until now, but wanted to chime in to say that I agree with Matthew's point: If something _does not work at all_ with the free VMs I don't think it should depend on java2-runtime. Whether or not a package works with a free VM is an issue for the maintainer

Re: Help needed on the Java policy

2008-01-29 Thread Matthew Johnson
On Tue Jan 29 17:45, Eric Lavarde wrote: POINT 1: I would suggest to modify the Java Policy along these lines: - the specific java runtimes listed before java(2)-runtime are the ones tested by the packager, and for which he's ready to stand up and make it work (the supported runtimes). -

Re: Help needed on the Java policy

2008-01-29 Thread Eric Lavarde
Hi, Matthias Klose wrote: Eric Lavarde writes: Hi everybody, thanks for your answers, it looks like we don't have yet a consensus. Let me try to suggest one. POINT 1: I would suggest to modify the Java Policy along these lines: - the specific java runtimes listed before java(2)-runtime

Re: Help needed on the Java policy

2008-01-29 Thread Michael Koch
On Wed, Jan 30, 2008 at 05:08:45AM +1100, Andrew Vaughan wrote: Hi On Wednesday 30 January 2008 04:11, Matthew Johnson wrote: [snip a lot of good stuff I agree with] A much better solution would be to define a better set of virtual packages. I would go with: - lowest common

Re: Help needed on the Java policy

2008-01-29 Thread Michael Koch
On Tue, Jan 29, 2008 at 09:47:53PM +0100, Eric Lavarde wrote: no. OK, Why no and why is Recommends sufficient? If I may interpret your answer, it's because you don't want to pull X-stuff when you only want to have a Java runtime for your server. In this case, the proposal from Andrew

Re: Help needed on the Java policy

2008-01-29 Thread Andrew Vaughan
Hi On Wednesday 30 January 2008 04:11, Matthew Johnson wrote: [snip a lot of good stuff I agree with] A much better solution would be to define a better set of virtual packages. I would go with: - lowest common denominator (essentially the _intersection_ of Java 1.4 and whatever

Re: Help needed on the Java policy

2008-01-29 Thread Matthias Klose
Andrew Vaughan writes: If you are going to rework the virtual packages, please consider adding -nox packages so that java{,5}-runtime can depend the appropriate X windows packages, and server apps that don't need X windows can depend on java{,5}-runtime-nox. see java-gcj-compat-headless,

Re: FreeMind and gcj [Re: Help needed on the Java policy]

2008-01-29 Thread Egon Willighagen
On Jan 29, 2008 5:18 PM, Eric Lavarde [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can log a bug along these lines if you want but someone will have to dig into it, because, without error message, I don't know where to start. You could start by updating this page: