Re: KDE 4.4.3 upgrade eats 141 MB of /home

2010-05-20 Thread Nick Leverton
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 05:57:06PM -0300, Nicolas Alvarez wrote: Allan Sandfeld Jensen wrote: Yes, the header contains the http expire date there is no other way to get it. Though I would have thought it would keep the statistics in memory instead of rereading it on every cycle. Are you

Re: KDE 4.4.3 upgrade eats 141 MB of /home

2010-05-19 Thread Nicolas Alvarez
Allan Sandfeld Jensen wrote: On Saturday 15 May 2010, Nicolas Alvarez wrote: After some stracing: It doesn't just stat the files. It first stats, then actually opens the files and *reads* the first few bytes of all of them (where the HTTP cache information is stored). Yes, the header

Re: KDE 4.4.3 upgrade eats 141 MB of /home

2010-05-17 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Mittwoch 12 Mai 2010 schrieb Mike Kasick: On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 04:51:23PM +0200, Alejandro Exojo wrote: I think that disk usage is an issue in most software, not just KDE apps. For example, look at ~/.thumbnails, and you will see that is probably filled with many thumbnails of images

Re: KDE 4.4.3 upgrade eats 141 MB of /home

2010-05-15 Thread Allan Sandfeld Jensen
On Saturday 15 May 2010, Nicolas Alvarez wrote: Allan Sandfeld Jensen wrote: On Thursday 13 May 2010, Nicolas Alvarez wrote: As a KDE4.3 user with 1TB of disk, I'm way more annoyed at kio_http_cache_cleaner starting regularly and eating my computer's I/O than the HTTP cache growing big. I

Re: KDE 4.4.3 upgrade eats 141 MB of /home

2010-05-14 Thread Allan Sandfeld Jensen
On Thursday 13 May 2010, Nicolas Alvarez wrote: As a KDE4.3 user with 1TB of disk, I'm way more annoyed at kio_http_cache_cleaner starting regularly and eating my computer's I/O than the HTTP cache growing big. I can easily notice when the the cache cleaner is running from the HD light, the HD

Re: KDE 4.4.3 upgrade eats 141 MB of /home

2010-05-14 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Friday 14 May 2010 11:37:19 Allan Sandfeld Jensen wrote: On Thursday 13 May 2010, Nicolas Alvarez wrote: There *has* to be a better way to clean an HTTP cache than to stat every single file in the cache to then delete a tiny fraction of them. Someone told me 4.4 improved in this area,

Re: KDE 4.4.3 upgrade eats 141 MB of /home

2010-05-14 Thread Allan Sandfeld Jensen
On Friday 14 May 2010, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: On Friday 14 May 2010 11:37:19 Allan Sandfeld Jensen wrote: On Thursday 13 May 2010, Nicolas Alvarez wrote: There *has* to be a better way to clean an HTTP cache than to stat every single file in the cache to then delete a tiny fraction

Re: KDE 4.4.3 upgrade eats 141 MB of /home

2010-05-14 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Friday 14 May 2010 12:55:45 Allan Sandfeld Jensen wrote: On Friday 14 May 2010, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: noatime breaks a few applications. I recommend against it. I've not seen similar issues with relatime, although it is theoretically possible. I mount using relatime,

Re: KDE 4.4.3 upgrade eats 141 MB of /home

2010-05-14 Thread Richard Hartmann
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 17:36, Christoph Burgmer christoph.burg...@stud.uni-karlsruhe.de wrote: 4.4 was supposed to have major improvements over 4.3. 4.2 was supposed to fix major issues of 4.1 and 4.0. Also called, I believe, the first stable version of KDE 4. Every minor release has been

Re: KDE 4.4.3 upgrade eats 141 MB of /home

2010-05-14 Thread Nicolas Alvarez
Allan Sandfeld Jensen wrote: On Thursday 13 May 2010, Nicolas Alvarez wrote: As a KDE4.3 user with 1TB of disk, I'm way more annoyed at kio_http_cache_cleaner starting regularly and eating my computer's I/O than the HTTP cache growing big. I can easily notice when the the cache cleaner is

Re: KDE 4.4.3 upgrade eats 141 MB of /home

2010-05-13 Thread Kevin Krammer
On Wednesday, 2010-05-12, Mike Kasick wrote: On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 10:41:35AM +0200, Kevin Krammer wrote: Since you are writing a bit down that you think it is caused by kres-migrator, where did you get it from (here it seems to be part of the kdepim-runtime package). Yes,

Re: KDE 4.4.3 upgrade eats 141 MB of /home

2010-05-13 Thread Kevin Krammer
On Wednesday, 2010-05-12, Mike Kasick wrote: On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 10:48:43AM +0200, Richard Hartmann wrote: - Disable kres-migrator. Or at least add a debconf option to kdepim-runtime presenting the option of running kres-migrator by default or disabling it. Did you do any

Re: KDE 4.4.3 upgrade eats 141 MB of /home

2010-05-13 Thread Nicolas Alvarez
Mike Kasick wrote: On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 04:51:23PM +0200, Alejandro Exojo wrote: I think that disk usage is an issue in most software, not just KDE apps. For example, look at ~/.thumbnails, and you will see that is probably filled with many thumbnails of images that you deleted long ago

Re: KDE 4.4.3 upgrade eats 141 MB of /home

2010-05-13 Thread Christoph Burgmer
As a KDE4.3 user with 1TB of disk, I'm way more annoyed at kio_http_cache_cleaner starting regularly and eating my computer's I/O than the HTTP cache growing big. I can easily notice when the the cache cleaner is running from the HD light, the HD noise, and the general system lag. There

Re: KDE 4.4.3 upgrade eats 141 MB of /home

2010-05-12 Thread Kevin Krammer
On Wednesday, 2010-05-12, Mike Kasick wrote: KDE 4 uses Akonadi as its PIM storage backend. Akonadi, at least in unstable, only supports MySQL (and PostgreSQL) as backends. And the default configuration of Akonadi is to run a per-user instance of MySQL with InnoDB tables with two 64 MB

Re: KDE 4.4.3 upgrade eats 141 MB of /home

2010-05-12 Thread Alejandro Exojo
El Miércoles, 12 de Mayo de 2010, Mike Kasick escribió: Apologies for my rant.  I just can't comprehend how such disk usage is even remotely acceptable for PIM usage patterns. Thanks a lot for doing this research. I've noticed that Akonadi takes a lot of space in ~/.local and I was concerned,

Re: KDE 4.4.3 upgrade eats 141 MB of /home

2010-05-12 Thread Noah Meyerhans
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 10:48:43AM +0200, Richard Hartmann wrote: - Long term: Don't use MySQL as the default Akonadi backend, which is  currently infeasible. It is my understanding that KDE 4.5 will let you choose different backends. Recent threads on this list suggest that 4.5 will have

Re: KDE 4.4.3 upgrade eats 141 MB of /home

2010-05-12 Thread Christoph Burgmer
Am Mittwoch, 12. Mai 2010 schrieb Alejandro Exojo: I think that disk usage is an issue in most software, not just KDE apps. For example, look at ~/.thumbnails, and you will see that is probably filled with many thumbnails of images that you deleted long ago or that you saw just once. Same

Re: KDE 4.4.3 upgrade eats 141 MB of /home

2010-05-12 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Wednesday 12 May 2010 10:14:52 Noah Meyerhans wrote: On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 10:48:43AM +0200, Richard Hartmann wrote: - Long term: Don't use MySQL as the default Akonadi backend, which is currently infeasible. It is my understanding that KDE 4.5 will let you choose different

Re: KDE 4.4.3 upgrade eats 141 MB of /home

2010-05-12 Thread Christoph Burgmer
Am Mittwoch, 12. Mai 2010 schrieb Noah Meyerhans: On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 10:48:43AM +0200, Richard Hartmann wrote: - Long term: Don't use MySQL as the default Akonadi backend, which is currently infeasible. It is my understanding that KDE 4.5 will let you choose different backends.

Re: KDE 4.4.3 upgrade eats 141 MB of /home

2010-05-12 Thread Alejandro Exojo
El Miércoles, 12 de Mayo de 2010, Christoph Burgmer escribió: Am Mittwoch, 12. Mai 2010 schrieb Alejandro Exojo: I think that disk usage is an issue in most software, not just KDE apps. For example, look at ~/.thumbnails, and you will see that is probably filled with many thumbnails of

Re: KDE 4.4.3 upgrade eats 141 MB of /home

2010-05-12 Thread Frederik Schwarzer
[Alejandro Exojo - Mittwoch 12 Mai 2010 18:28:35] El Miércoles, 12 de Mayo de 2010, Christoph Burgmer escribió: Am Mittwoch, 12. Mai 2010 schrieb Alejandro Exojo: I think that disk usage is an issue in most software, not just KDE apps. For example, look at ~/.thumbnails, and you will see

Re: KDE 4.4.3 upgrade eats 141 MB of /home

2010-05-12 Thread Modestas Vainius
Hello, On trečiadienis 12 Gegužė 2010 18:48:04 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: Options: 1. Conspire to keep the RC-bug count high enough on other packages for long enough that KDE 4.5 gets into testing. 2. Convince upstream to to release KDE SC 4.4½.0 before the freeze, or roll these new

Re: KDE 4.4.3 upgrade eats 141 MB of /home

2010-05-12 Thread Christoph Burgmer
Am Mittwoch, 12. Mai 2010 schrieb Alejandro Exojo: El Miércoles, 12 de Mayo de 2010, Christoph Burgmer escribió: Am Mittwoch, 12. Mai 2010 schrieb Alejandro Exojo: I think that disk usage is an issue in most software, not just KDE apps. For example, look at ~/.thumbnails, and you will see

Re: KDE 4.4.3 upgrade eats 141 MB of /home

2010-05-12 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Wednesday 12 May 2010 11:47:08 Modestas Vainius wrote: On trečiadienis 12 Gegužė 2010 18:48:04 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: Virtuoso, Akonadi, and Strigi (among others) may be appropriate for a upgrade before either the freeze or the KDE SC 4.5.0 release. The KDE-integration parts

Re: KDE 4.4.3 upgrade eats 141 MB of /home

2010-05-12 Thread Mike Kasick
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 10:41:35AM +0200, Kevin Krammer wrote: Since you are writing a bit down that you think it is caused by kres-migrator, where did you get it from (here it seems to be part of the kdepim-runtime package). Yes, kres-migrator is part of kdepim-runtime. I do have that

Re: KDE 4.4.3 upgrade eats 141 MB of /home

2010-05-12 Thread Mike Kasick
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 04:51:23PM +0200, Alejandro Exojo wrote: I think that disk usage is an issue in most software, not just KDE apps. For example, look at ~/.thumbnails, and you will see that is probably filled with many thumbnails of images that you deleted long ago or that you saw just

Re: KDE 4.4.3 upgrade eats 141 MB of /home

2010-05-12 Thread Mike Kasick
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 10:48:43AM +0200, Richard Hartmann wrote: - Disable kres-migrator.  Or at least add a debconf option to  kdepim-runtime presenting the option of running kres-migrator by default  or disabling it. Did you do any research as to what the longer-term implications of

Re: KDE 4.4.3 upgrade eats 141 MB of /home

2010-05-12 Thread Mike Kasick
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 04:51:23PM +0200, Alejandro Exojo wrote: I think that disk usage is an issue in most software, not just KDE apps. For example, look at ~/.thumbnails, and you will see that is probably filled with many thumbnails of images that you deleted long ago or that you saw just

Re: KDE 4.4.3 upgrade eats 141 MB of /home

2010-05-12 Thread Mike Kasick
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 10:48:43AM +0200, Richard Hartmann wrote: - Disable kres-migrator.  Or at least add a debconf option to  kdepim-runtime presenting the option of running kres-migrator by default  or disabling it. Did you do any research as to what the longer-term implications of

Re: KDE 4.4.3 upgrade eats 141 MB of /home

2010-05-12 Thread Alejandro Exojo
El Miércoles, 12 de Mayo de 2010, Frederik Schwarzer escribió: If you want to have these images there in case they are needed, keep the folder, if disk space is more important than loading speed, remove it regularily. Of course, that's what I do. But a plain user should not be asked to

Re: KDE 4.4.3 upgrade eats 141 MB of /home

2010-05-12 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Wednesday 12 May 2010 17:22:21 Alejandro Exojo wrote: El Miércoles, 12 de Mayo de 2010, Frederik Schwarzer escribió: If you want to have these images there in case they are needed, keep the folder, if disk space is more important than loading speed, remove it regularily. Of course,