Re: Upgrading KDE and it's dependencies

2005-07-08 Thread Derek Broughton
Theo Schmidt wrote: > Am Freitag, 8. Juli 2005 05.45 schrieb Bob Proulx: > ... >> Just the same, I can't see any documentation that says mixing apt-get >> and aptitude is bad... > > Any thoughts on using concurrently apt-get, synaptic, and kpackage? I had > always thought that these use the same

Re: Upgrading KDE and it's dependencies

2005-07-08 Thread Null Pointer
On Friday 08 July 2005 09:11, Theo Schmidt wrote: > Am Freitag, 8. Juli 2005 05.45 schrieb Bob Proulx: > ... > > > Just the same, I can't see any documentation that says > > mixing apt-get and aptitude is bad... > > Any thoughts on using concurrently apt-get, synaptic, and > kpackage? I had always

Re: Upgrading KDE and it's dependencies

2005-07-08 Thread Null Pointer
On Friday 08 July 2005 09:11, Theo Schmidt wrote: > Am Freitag, 8. Juli 2005 05.45 schrieb Bob Proulx: > ... > > > Just the same, I can't see any documentation that says > > mixing apt-get and aptitude is bad... > > Any thoughts on using concurrently apt-get, synaptic, and > kpackage? I had always

Re: Upgrading KDE and it's dependencies

2005-07-08 Thread Theo Schmidt
Am Freitag, 8. Juli 2005 05.45 schrieb Bob Proulx: ... > Just the same, I can't see any documentation that says mixing apt-get > and aptitude is bad... Any thoughts on using concurrently apt-get, synaptic, and kpackage? I had always thought that these use the same database so that each would be a

Re: Upgrading KDE and it's dependencies

2005-07-08 Thread Derek Broughton
Hendrik Sattler wrote: > Additionally, aptitude has some problems with pinning. Really? It took me some work to get it right, but it doesn't seem any worse than pinning under apt-get - which _still_ has problems. > > A combination of apt-get and aptitude usage works the best, I'd say. I haven'

Re: Upgrading KDE and it's dependencies

2005-07-08 Thread Hendrik Sattler
Am Freitag, 8. Juli 2005 05:45 schrieb Bob Proulx: > Prior to Sarge aptitude was not the recommended package management > tool. The common program was apt-get or dselect. But following the > recommendations in the release notes one will convert to using > aptitude, at least for the upgrade from W

Re: Upgrading KDE and it's dependencies

2005-07-07 Thread Bob Proulx
Alejandro Exojo wrote: > El Jueves, 7 de Julio de 2005 17:37, Bob Proulx escribió: > > What are different ways to use aptitude which would be bad? What is > > an incorrect way to use aptitude? I can't really think of any. So > > this statement leaves me not knowing what is being discussed. To b

Re: Upgrading KDE and it's dependencies

2005-07-07 Thread Alejandro Exojo
El Jueves, 7 de Julio de 2005 17:37, Bob Proulx escribió: > Alejandro Exojo wrote: > > 1. aptitude > > Unfortunately that brings up an interactive GUI. I have far too many > machines to interactively babysit each and every one of them > uniquely. It is just not practical. Yes, I understand that

Re: Upgrading KDE and it's dependencies

2005-07-07 Thread Derek Broughton
Bob Proulx wrote: > What are different ways to use aptitude which would be bad? What is > an incorrect way to use aptitude? I can't really think of any. So > this statement leaves me not knowing what is being discussed. To be > clear I am talking about these commands. Are any of these incorre

Re: Upgrading KDE and it's dependencies

2005-07-07 Thread Nick Leverton
On Thu, Jul 07, 2005 at 09:37:17AM -0600, Bob Proulx wrote: > Alejandro Exojo wrote: > > El Miércoles, 6 de Julio de 2005 02:40, Bob Proulx escribió: > > > What answer do you choose?  What are your follow-up actions?  Please > > > be specific. > > > > 1. aptitude > > Unfortunately that brings up

Re: Upgrading KDE and it's dependencies

2005-07-07 Thread Bob Proulx
Alejandro Exojo wrote: > El Miércoles, 6 de Julio de 2005 02:40, Bob Proulx escribió: > > What answer do you choose?  What are your follow-up actions?  Please > > be specific. > > 1. aptitude Unfortunately that brings up an interactive GUI. I have far too many machines to interactively babysit e

Re: Upgrading KDE and it's dependencies

2005-07-07 Thread Bob Proulx
Jarkko Suontausta wrote: > My point below was aimed at upgrading KDE _without_ logging out > afterwards. It would be really nice to continue working even when KDE > has been upgraded in the background, especially with many sessions > open simultaneously. Any suggestions on avoiding the need to logo

Re: Upgrading KDE and it's dependencies

2005-07-06 Thread Larry Garfield
On Wednesday 06 July 2005 08:54 am, Derek Broughton wrote: > I've concluded that apt-get (much as I've loved it for years) is obsolete. > Aptitude from the command line is better - yet command compatible. It's > definitely going to screw things up, though, if you're using both. Joy. OK, sell me

Re: Upgrading KDE and it's dependencies

2005-07-06 Thread Jarkko Suontausta
[Sorry to reply to my original posting, but I really thought that this mail had not reached this mailing list - that's why I haven't watching this thread. For some reason kmail still doesn't show my original mail at all, although it exists in my Gmail inbox...] My point below was aimed at upgradin

Re: Upgrading KDE and it's dependencies

2005-07-06 Thread Derek Broughton
Alejandro Exojo wrote: > El Miércoles, 6 de Julio de 2005 02:40, Bob Proulx escribió: >> aptitude dist-upgrade >> The following NEW packages will be installed: >> ...new dependencies... >> The following packages will be REMOVED: >> ...most kde packages... >> The following packages will be upgraded

Re: Upgrading KDE and it's dependencies

2005-07-06 Thread Alejandro Exojo
El Miércoles, 6 de Julio de 2005 02:40, Bob Proulx escribió: >   aptitude dist-upgrade >   The following NEW packages will be installed: >   ...new dependencies... >   The following packages will be REMOVED: >   ...most kde packages... >   The following packages will be upgraded: >   ...useful pack

empowered users (was: Upgrading KDE and it's dependencies)

2005-07-05 Thread Bob Proulx
Brian Kimball wrote: > Bob Proulx wrote: > > in my work lab engineering environment with a lot of random users > > installing a lot of random kde components > > In your lab, "a lot of random users" have root? Nice. Yes. Don't you? A friend of mine when interviewing for jobs used to ask the inte

Re: Upgrading KDE and it's dependencies

2005-07-05 Thread Bob Proulx
Brian Kimball wrote: > Bob Proulx wrote: > > I have a rather agressive method. > > ... > > Then upgrade. Then reinstall KDE. Yes it is harsh. > > That's not just harsh, that's plain gross and wildly unnecessary. This > isn't rpm on Red Hat 4.2. When it comes to KDE upgrades if it walks like a

Re: Upgrading KDE and it's dependencies

2005-07-04 Thread Brian Kimball
Bob Proulx wrote: > I have a rather agressive method. > KDEVERSION=$(dpkg --status kdelibs4 | awk '/^Version:/{print$2}') > grep-available -n -s Package $KDEVERSION > /tmp/kde-pkg.list > apt-get remove --purge $( > Then upgrade. Then reinstall KDE. Yes it is harsh. That's not just hars

Re: Upgrading KDE and it's dependencies

2005-07-03 Thread Bob Proulx
Larry Garfield wrote: > Am I the only one who upgrades KDE without problems? In the 2+ years I've > been using Debian, I've taken KDE from 2.2.2 to 3.4.1, including every point > release along the way, with only one hiccup; And that was a random 3rd party > repository for KDE 3.0 under Woody th

Re: Upgrading KDE and it's dependencies

2005-07-03 Thread Bob Proulx
Theo Schmidt wrote: > Am Sonntag, 3. Juli 2005 02.04 schrieb Bob Proulx: > > I have a rather agressive method. > ... > > I then remove that list. WARNING! Don't do this unless you know what > > you are doing. > ... > > What is the preferred methode for those of us who don't really know > what th

Re: Upgrading KDE and it's dependencies

2005-07-03 Thread Larry Garfield
Am I the only one who upgrades KDE without problems? In the 2+ years I've been using Debian, I've taken KDE from 2.2.2 to 3.4.1, including every point release along the way, with only one hiccup; And that was a random 3rd party repository for KDE 3.0 under Woody that jammed on the KDEPIM packag

Re: Upgrading KDE and it's dependencies

2005-07-03 Thread Theo Schmidt
Am Sonntag, 3. Juli 2005 02.04 schrieb Bob Proulx: > Jarkko Suontausta wrote: > > Upgrading KDE when an older version is already running often causes a lot > > of trouble > > I have a rather agressive method. ... > I then remove that list. WARNING! Don't do this unless you know what > you are

Re: Upgrading KDE and it's dependencies

2005-07-02 Thread Bob Proulx
Jarkko Suontausta wrote: > Upgrading KDE when an older version is already running often causes a lot of > trouble. This is mostly an upstream issue AFAIK, but it might be possible to > add some preventive/corrective measures in the Debian packages. Does anyone > have any ideas? I have a rather

Upgrading KDE and it's dependencies

2005-07-02 Thread Jarkko Suontausta
Hi! Upgrading KDE when an older version is already running often causes a lot of trouble. This is mostly an upstream issue AFAIK, but it might be possible to add some preventive/corrective measures in the Debian packages. Does anyone have any ideas? Cheers, -- Jarkko -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, ema