Re: How can I learn which binary .debs are built from a $MODULE_source package?

2004-06-02 Thread Eduard Bloch
Moin Goswin! Goswin von Brederlow schrieb am Mittwoch, den 02. Juni 2004: > > I like to build dependency helper packages that ease > > cross-kernel-version updates. To build these for kernel module .debs, > > I need to learn how the binary kernel module package is named. For > > most packages, thi

http://debian.linuxwiki.de/DebianKernel_2fPlan

2004-06-02 Thread Christoph Hellwig
First time I see this wiki page. Comments: > new naming scheme getting rid of "image" as part or package names (only > for Provides: - compatibility issues), instead, distinguishing between > linux and hurd. First idea: > > linux-kernel-source-KVERS > > > linux-kernel-KVERS-ARCH(-SUBVERS) (

Sarge TODO items

2004-06-02 Thread Christoph Hellwig
We've been flaming^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hdiscussing a lot of design items here, but we should try to get up a list of items for to be done for sarge. First priority for all sarge work should be to keep the maintaince overhead for the security team down. That means in particular trying to keep as few as po

Re: http://debian.linuxwiki.de/DebianKernel_2fPlan

2004-06-02 Thread Christoph Hellwig
On Wed, Jun 02, 2004 at 07:52:15AM -0600, dann frazier wrote: > > > * architecture support patches hard to apply unless the main > > > kernel-source > > >package is "pristine" > > > > as mentioned a few times architecture packages should be part of the > > main kernel-source to avoid a big m

Re: http://debian.linuxwiki.de/DebianKernel_2fPlan

2004-06-02 Thread dann frazier
On Wed, Jun 02, 2004 at 12:14:58PM +0200, Christoph Hellwig wrote: > > linux-kernel-KVERS-ARCH(-SUBVERS) (plus extras, see below) > > remov the -kernel, linux is the kernel, and upstream tarballs are > linux-$version, too. > > remove the -arch, it'll be .$arch.deb anyway, rather add a -flavour.

Re: http://debian.linuxwiki.de/DebianKernel_2fPlan

2004-06-02 Thread Andreas Barth
* dann frazier ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [040602 17:55]: > From my conversations with Joey, the problem with today's scheme is that they > can't > just patch one source tree & do rebuilds, since everyone is on different > kernel revisions > and some (ia64 in woody, for example), don't even use a kernel

Re: Sarge TODO items

2004-06-02 Thread Bastian Blank
On Wed, Jun 02, 2004 at 12:30:45PM +0200, Christoph Hellwig wrote: > To do all this work nicely we should get a repo on alioth ASAP, > especially to allow the arch maintainers to work on the main > kernel-source too for better cooperation. The alioth repository host is currently not suitable for l

Re: http://debian.linuxwiki.de/DebianKernel_2fPlan

2004-06-02 Thread Bastian Blank
On Wed, Jun 02, 2004 at 04:41:20PM +0200, Christoph Hellwig wrote: > So when was the last s390-specific exploit you heard of? Or any > architecture-specific exploit? Hmm, the ptrace exploit was only applicable on archs which uses one large memory space for user/kernelspace. Bastian -- Spock: T

Re: http://debian.linuxwiki.de/DebianKernel_2fPlan

2004-06-02 Thread Christoph Hellwig
On Wed, Jun 02, 2004 at 06:45:27PM +0200, Bastian Blank wrote: > On Wed, Jun 02, 2004 at 04:41:20PM +0200, Christoph Hellwig wrote: > > So when was the last s390-specific exploit you heard of? Or any > > architecture-specific exploit? > > Hmm, the ptrace exploit was only applicable on archs which

Re: Sarge TODO items

2004-06-02 Thread Christoph Hellwig
On Wed, Jun 02, 2004 at 06:42:39PM +0200, Bastian Blank wrote: > On Wed, Jun 02, 2004 at 12:30:45PM +0200, Christoph Hellwig wrote: > > To do all this work nicely we should get a repo on alioth ASAP, > > especially to allow the arch maintainers to work on the main > > kernel-source too for better c

Re: Sarge TODO items

2004-06-02 Thread Bastian Blank
On Wed, Jun 02, 2004 at 06:49:52PM +0200, Christoph Hellwig wrote: > I don't think we should check the kernel tree into it. Just the debian/ > directory. If we want to handle patches, we need to that. Hmm, I should try to automerge kernel sources with svk. Bastian -- The heart is not a logica

Re: Sarge TODO items

2004-06-02 Thread Christoph Hellwig
On Wed, Jun 02, 2004 at 07:16:57PM +0200, Bastian Blank wrote: > On Wed, Jun 02, 2004 at 06:49:52PM +0200, Christoph Hellwig wrote: > > I don't think we should check the kernel tree into it. Just the debian/ > > directory. > > If we want to handle patches, we need to that. Umm, no. Patches shou

architectures with 2.6 kernels

2004-06-02 Thread Christoph Hellwig
Currently I can only see powerpc and some older ia64 patches in addition to the basic kernel source, are there any other architectures working on 2.6 kernels?

Re: architectures with 2.6 kernels

2004-06-02 Thread Bastian Blank
On Wed, Jun 02, 2004 at 07:50:22PM +0200, Christoph Hellwig wrote: > Currently I can only see powerpc and some older ia64 patches in addition > to the basic kernel source, are there any other architectures working on > 2.6 kernels? s390 works rock stable with 2.6.5 and ibm patches. 2.6.6 seems to

Re: architectures with 2.6 kernels

2004-06-02 Thread Christoph Hellwig
On Wed, Jun 02, 2004 at 08:21:42PM +0200, Bastian Blank wrote: > On Wed, Jun 02, 2004 at 07:50:22PM +0200, Christoph Hellwig wrote: > > Currently I can only see powerpc and some older ia64 patches in addition > > to the basic kernel source, are there any other architectures working on > > 2.6 kerne

Re: Sarge TODO items

2004-06-02 Thread Clint Adams
> The alioth repository host is currently not suitable for large > repositories. It is for arch.debian.org.

Re: architectures with 2.6 kernels

2004-06-02 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Christoph Hellwig wrote: > Currently I can only see powerpc and some older ia64 patches in addition > to the basic kernel source, are there any other architectures working on > 2.6 kernels? Mips/mipsel needs some toolchain fixes for 64bit kernels, and the only working subarchitecture with 32bit ke

Re: Sarge TODO items

2004-06-02 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Christoph Hellwig wrote: > On Wed, Jun 02, 2004 at 07:16:57PM +0200, Bastian Blank wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 02, 2004 at 06:49:52PM +0200, Christoph Hellwig wrote: > > > I don't think we should check the kernel tree into it. Just the debian/ > > > directory. > > > > If we want to handle patches, we

Re: Sarge TODO items

2004-06-02 Thread Christoph Hellwig
On Wed, Jun 02, 2004 at 08:25:17PM +0200, Thiemo Seufer wrote: > > > If we want to handle patches, we need to that. > > > > Umm, no. Patches should be stored as individual patches in the debian/ > > dir the get applied before building. > > Even for non-feature-patches which aren't harmful for ot

Re: architectures with 2.6 kernels

2004-06-02 Thread Christian T. Steigies
On Wed, Jun 02, 2004 at 07:50:22PM +0200, Christoph Hellwig wrote: > Currently I can only see powerpc and some older ia64 patches in addition > to the basic kernel source, are there any other architectures working on > 2.6 kernels? I can not say I am working on it, I haven't got it working on i386

Re: architectures with 2.6 kernels

2004-06-02 Thread Bastian Blank
On Wed, Jun 02, 2004 at 08:32:36PM +0200, Christoph Hellwig wrote: > Is there debian packaging I missed somewhere? Not in the archive. Bastian -- Well, Jim, I'm not much of an actor either. signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Sarge TODO items

2004-06-02 Thread Bastian Blank
On Wed, Jun 02, 2004 at 02:33:53PM -0400, Clint Adams wrote: > > The alioth repository host is currently not suitable for large ^ > > repositories. > > It is for arch.debian.org. arch is not suitable for large repositories either.

Re: Sarge TODO items

2004-06-02 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Jun 02, 2004 at 12:30:45PM +0200, Christoph Hellwig wrote: > We've been flaming^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hdiscussing a lot of design items here, > but we should try to get up a list of items for to be done for sarge. > > First priority for all sarge work should be to keep the maintaince > overhead for

Re: Sarge TODO items

2004-06-02 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Christoph Hellwig wrote: [snip] > The idea is have to have a debian/patches/ dir that contains all > patches, similar to how many of the lots of little patches systems > work these days (CDBS? or the .dpatch stuff in the glibc packaging), > and the .diff.gz doesn't touch anything outside debian/.

Re: Sarge TODO items

2004-06-02 Thread Christoph Hellwig
On Wed, Jun 02, 2004 at 09:46:50PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > I have been tracking the -benh tree for the powerpc 2.4 kernels, since > most people used that anyway. Benh has not updated this tree since > february though, and i don't forsee him working on this in the next two > month or so, so ther

Re: Sarge TODO items

2004-06-02 Thread Christoph Hellwig
On Wed, Jun 02, 2004 at 09:20:43PM +0200, Thiemo Seufer wrote: > > The idea is have to have a debian/patches/ dir that contains all > > patches, similar to how many of the lots of little patches systems > > work these days (CDBS? or the .dpatch stuff in the glibc packaging), > > and the .diff.gz do

Re: Sarge TODO items

2004-06-02 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Jun 02, 2004 at 09:40:37PM +0200, Christoph Hellwig wrote: > On Wed, Jun 02, 2004 at 09:46:50PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > I have been tracking the -benh tree for the powerpc 2.4 kernels, since > > most people used that anyway. Benh has not updated this tree since > > february though, an

Re: Sarge TODO items

2004-06-02 Thread Christoph Hellwig
On Wed, Jun 02, 2004 at 10:14:08PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > I'll merge it forward for you this wekk. I'll also talk to benh whether I > > can check it into his BK repo. > > Ok, fine with me, altough i still think that 2.6 makes more sense for > powerpc in the long run. I completely agree.

Re: Sarge TODO items

2004-06-02 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Jun 02, 2004 at 10:06:38PM +0200, Christoph Hellwig wrote: > On Wed, Jun 02, 2004 at 10:14:08PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > > I'll merge it forward for you this wekk. I'll also talk to benh whether I > > > can check it into his BK repo. > > > > Ok, fine with me, altough i still think th

Re: Sarge TODO items

2004-06-02 Thread Christoph Hellwig
On Wed, Jun 02, 2004 at 10:48:46PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > Known security problems ? All known problems of 2.4.25 have been fixed > and backported from later kernels, so i don't really see what we would > gain by going to 2.4.26, apart from uniformity over all arches. I don't have the time rig

Re: Sarge TODO items

2004-06-02 Thread Christoph Hellwig
On Wed, Jun 02, 2004 at 10:42:43PM +0200, Christoph Hellwig wrote: > On Wed, Jun 02, 2004 at 10:48:46PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > Known security problems ? All known problems of 2.4.25 have been fixed > > and backported from later kernels, so i don't really see what we would > > gain by going t

Debian kernel: various issues to discuss

2004-06-02 Thread Martin Michlmayr - Debian Project Leader
I apologize for the delay in posting something on this topic. When Herbert announced that he was resigning, I talked to him privately to discuss how we can move to a kernel team and which people to involve. I then invited some (upstream) kernel people who use and are interested in Debian to get i

Re: Sarge TODO items

2004-06-02 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Jun 02, 2004 at 10:52:17PM +0200, Christoph Hellwig wrote: > On Wed, Jun 02, 2004 at 10:42:43PM +0200, Christoph Hellwig wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 02, 2004 at 10:48:46PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > > Known security problems ? All known problems of 2.4.25 have been fixed > > > and backported

Re: http://debian.linuxwiki.de/DebianKernel_2fPlan

2004-06-02 Thread dann frazier
On Wed, Jun 02, 2004 at 04:41:20PM +0200, Christoph Hellwig wrote: > On Wed, Jun 02, 2004 at 07:52:15AM -0600, dann frazier wrote: > > I believe its a greater maintenance mess to attempt to keep them united. > > I can be more confident that upstream's ia64 arch patch will apply > > reasonably > >

Re: Sarge TODO items

2004-06-02 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Jun 02, 2004 at 09:20:43PM +0200, Thiemo Seufer wrote: > Christoph Hellwig wrote: > [snip] > > The idea is have to have a debian/patches/ dir that contains all > > patches, similar to how many of the lots of little patches systems > > work these days (CDBS? or the .dpatch stuff in the glibc