Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-09 Thread luke.leighton
ok, so the deadline's almost up but the discussions of the past two or so days have basically i think everything that needs to be said, and i'm extremely grateful to everyone who's contributed, privately and publicly, especially on such short notice. i've passed it over to my associates who will

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-09 Thread Russell King - ARM Linux
On Sun, Jun 09, 2013 at 11:09:59PM +0100, luke.leighton wrote: this is all a rather round-about way to say that for those people who heard and are thinking of heeding russell's call to be silent and to ignore me Okay, so you've just misrepresented me in the above comment. I never said

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-09 Thread luke.leighton
On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 11:31 PM, Russell King - ARM Linux li...@arm.linux.org.uk wrote: On Sun, Jun 09, 2013 at 11:09:59PM +0100, luke.leighton wrote: this is all a rather round-about way to say that for those people who heard and are thinking of heeding russell's call to be silent and to

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-08 Thread Tomasz Figa
Luke, On Friday 07 of June 2013 22:29:34 luke.leighton wrote: On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 7:59 PM, Thomas Petazzoni thomas.petazz...@free-electrons.com wrote: Maxime will reply to this in more details, but I believe the status is: * Interrupt controller is working. * Clock drivers are

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-08 Thread luke.leighton
On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 9:28 AM, Tomasz Figa tomasz.f...@gmail.com wrote: Now that the discussion went off from you stupid kernel developers *lol*. i get that summary [you said people were stupid!!!] a lot. i don't quite understand where it comes from, otherwise i would stop doing it :)

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-07 Thread luke.leighton
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 1:51 PM, Vladimir Pantelic vlado...@gmail.com wrote: 4 days? WTF? since when did setting an ultimatum to the kernel community work? i was only informed of the opportunity 2 days ago, vladimir. this is an important meeting. of course the linux kernel community is

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-07 Thread Vladimir Pantelic
luke.leighton wrote: On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 1:51 PM, Vladimir Pantelic vlado...@gmail.com wrote: 4 days? WTF? since when did setting an ultimatum to the kernel community work? i was only informed of the opportunity 2 days ago, vladimir. this is an important meeting. of course the linux

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-07 Thread luke.leighton
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 2:02 PM, Tomasz Figa tomasz.f...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday 06 of June 2013 13:49:38 luke.leighton wrote: On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 1:43 PM, Tomasz Figa tomasz.f...@gmail.com wrote: Luke, On Thursday 06 of June 2013 13:24:57 luke.leighton wrote: On Thu, Jun 6, 2013

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-07 Thread luke.leighton
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Russell King - ARM Linux li...@arm.linux.org.uk wrote: If companies are going to go off and invent the square wheel, and that makes *them* suffer the loss of being able to merge back into the mainline kernel, thereby making *their* job of moving forward with

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-07 Thread luke.leighton
On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 8:48 AM, Vladimir Pantelic vlado...@gmail.com wrote: luke.leighton wrote: On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 1:51 PM, Vladimir Pantelic vlado...@gmail.com wrote: 4 days? WTF? since when did setting an ultimatum to the kernel community work? i was only informed of the

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-07 Thread Alexandre Belloni
On 07/06/2013 10:06, luke.leighton wrote: On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 8:48 AM, Vladimir Pantelic vlado...@gmail.com wrote: luke.leighton wrote: 3 days remaining on the clock. what catastrophic thing will happen when the time runs out? no catastrophe, vladimir: all that happens is that an

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-07 Thread Vladimir Pantelic
luke.leighton wrote: so. coming back to what you said earlier: i'm formulating what to say to allwinner [and need to pre-send something by monday so that they can consider it before the meeting]. so far, it consists of: * device-tree is what the linux kernel community has come up with,

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-07 Thread Russell King - ARM Linux
On Fri, Jun 07, 2013 at 09:02:43AM +0100, luke.leighton wrote: ok. so. we come back to the question again: what shall i propose to them that they consider doing, and what benefit would it be to them to do so? i cannot go to them and say you have to do this [insert proposal here] - it

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-07 Thread Russell King - ARM Linux
On Fri, Jun 07, 2013 at 10:40:37AM +0200, Vladimir Pantelic wrote: luke.leighton wrote: so. coming back to what you said earlier: i'm formulating what to say to allwinner [and need to pre-send something by monday so that they can consider it before the meeting]. so far, it consists

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-07 Thread Russell King - ARM Linux
On Fri, Jun 07, 2013 at 09:48:22AM +0200, Vladimir Pantelic wrote: luke.leighton wrote: 3 days remaining on the clock. what catastrophic thing will happen when the time runs out? Maybe the world will explode into tiny small bits? Probably not. I suspect nothing of any relevance to us. As

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-07 Thread Barry Song
2013/6/7 Olof Johansson o...@lixom.net: On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 8:13 AM, jonsm...@gmail.com jonsm...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 7:54 PM, luke.leighton luke.leigh...@gmail.com wrote: augh. ok. solutions. what are the solutions here? Luke if you really want to fix this a good

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-07 Thread Henrik Nordström
fre 2013-06-07 klockan 09:02 +0100 skrev luke.leighton: ok. so. we come back to the question again: what shall i propose to them that they consider doing, and what benefit would it be to them to do so? Just tell them that the kernel is moving to a different configuration syntax called

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-07 Thread Bjørn Mork
Tomasz Figa tomasz.f...@gmail.com writes: Seeing from your posts you don't have any knowledge on how Linux kernel development works and even on how Allwinner's cooperation with our community looks (and seem to be completely closed to our effort of showing you the reality), so I'm not sure

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-07 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Fri, Jun 07, 2013 at 08:52:43AM +0100, luke.leighton wrote: coming back to what you said earlier: i'm formulating what to say to allwinner [and need to pre-send something by monday so that they can consider it before the meeting]. so far, it consists of: * device-tree is what the linux

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-07 Thread joem
SoC vendors are free to join the discussion, and many SoC vendors are part of the kernel community, so calling this unilateral is plain wrong. you're free to believe that, vladimir. i've explained why that hasn't happened, in prior messages. can we move forward, please? I prefer it if

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-07 Thread Stephen Warren
On 06/07/2013 02:02 AM, luke.leighton wrote: On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Russell King - ARM Linux li...@arm.linux.org.uk wrote: If companies are going to go off and invent the square wheel, and that makes *them* suffer the loss of being able to merge back into the mainline kernel,

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-07 Thread luke.leighton
On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 9:18 AM, Alexandre Belloni alexandre.bell...@free-electrons.com wrote: On 07/06/2013 10:06, luke.leighton wrote: On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 8:48 AM, Vladimir Pantelic vlado...@gmail.com wrote: luke.leighton wrote: 3 days remaining on the clock. what catastrophic thing

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-07 Thread luke.leighton
thomas i _very_ briefly spotted this when i was extremely busy yesterday, and i'm grateful to the 2 or 3 people who've given me the keywords and/or links to catch up. On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 10:27 AM, Thomas Petazzoni thomas.petazz...@free-electrons.com wrote: Dear Tomasz Figa, On Thu, 06 Jun

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-07 Thread Russell King - ARM Linux
On Fri, Jun 07, 2013 at 02:49:28PM +, joem wrote: SoC vendors are free to join the discussion, and many SoC vendors are part of the kernel community, so calling this unilateral is plain wrong. you're free to believe that, vladimir. i've explained why that hasn't happened, in

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-07 Thread Olof Johansson
Luke, I want only one thing from you at this time. See below. On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 11:45 AM, luke.leighton luke.leigh...@gmail.com wrote: but the Directors of Allwinner aren't been kept in the loop, here: that's my job, to get them up-to-speed. The one job I would love for you to do

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-07 Thread Thomas Petazzoni
Hello, On Fri, 7 Jun 2013 19:26:49 +0100, luke.leighton wrote: Have you noticed that it is already the case in mainline? i knew there was a little bit, but not the extent of the commits. Then you could probably use a bit of your time to read the kernel commit logs rather than writing

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-07 Thread luke.leighton
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Olof Johansson o...@lixom.net wrote: On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 8:13 AM, jonsm...@gmail.com jonsm...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 7:54 PM, luke.leighton luke.leigh...@gmail.com wrote: augh. ok. solutions. what are the solutions here? Luke if you

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-07 Thread luke.leighton
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 6:28 PM, Maxime Ripard maxime.rip...@free-electrons.com wrote: I should also add that Allwinner not only talked to us already, oo! great! can you please [privately, not publicly] let me know who that is, so i can let the Directors know, so that they can follow up?

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-07 Thread luke.leighton
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 9:22 PM, Arnd Bergmann a...@arndb.de wrote: On Thursday 06 June 2013, Maxime Ripard wrote: So yes, Allwinner has an evil vendor tree (c), with a solution similar yet inferior (because not generic enough) to the device tree, but they show interest on going down the

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-07 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 7:26 PM, Russell King - ARM Linux li...@arm.linux.org.uk wrote: Luke Leighton on the other hand is demanding that we no demands have been made, russell: i've informed you of an immovable deadline which will pass beyond which the opportunity being presented is lost.

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-07 Thread luke.leighton
On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Tomasz Figa tomasz.f...@gmail.com wrote: Seeing from your posts you don't have any knowledge on how Linux kernel development works check back to 2004. and even on how Allwinner's cooperation with our community looks (and seem to be completely closed to our

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-07 Thread luke.leighton
On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 7:54 PM, Olof Johansson o...@lixom.net wrote: Luke, I want only one thing from you at this time. See below. On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 11:45 AM, luke.leighton luke.leigh...@gmail.com wrote: but the Directors of Allwinner aren't been kept in the loop, here: that's

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-07 Thread luke.leighton
On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 7:57 PM, Wookey woo...@wookware.org wrote: OK, this sounds good. Could you say who the allwinner engineers are? [cross-over: i asked him if he'd be happy to let me know privately, so i have at least some context when speaking to the Directors] I guess it's quite a

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-07 Thread luke.leighton
On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 7:59 PM, Thomas Petazzoni thomas.petazz...@free-electrons.com wrote: Hello, On Fri, 7 Jun 2013 19:26:49 +0100, luke.leighton wrote: Have you noticed that it is already the case in mainline? i knew there was a little bit, but not the extent of the commits. Then you

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-07 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Fri, Jun 07, 2013 at 08:18:14PM +0100, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 7:26 PM, Russell King - ARM Linux li...@arm.linux.org.uk wrote: Luke Leighton on the other hand is demanding that we no demands have been made, russell: i've informed you of an immovable

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-07 Thread Tomasz Figa
On Friday 07 of June 2013 20:02:03 luke.leighton wrote: On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Tomasz Figa tomasz.f...@gmail.com wrote: Seeing from your posts you don't have any knowledge on how Linux kernel development works check back to 2004. $ git log --oneline --author=Luke Kenneth

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-07 Thread Wookey
+++ Maxime Ripard [2013-06-06 19:28 +0200]: Hi everyone, On Thu, Jun 06, 2013 at 09:00:00AM -0700, Olof Johansson wrote: Listen, Allwinner isn't working in a vacuum, believe it or not. I've talked to them, so has Arnd and other people working on ARM, including Maxime Ripard, who's been

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-07 Thread Russell King - ARM Linux
On Fri, Jun 07, 2013 at 08:04:26PM +0100, luke.leighton wrote: On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 7:54 PM, Olof Johansson o...@lixom.net wrote: By demanding a-a-ah, no demands made. well, tough. get me up to speed, *fast*. please stop wasting time like this: get me up to speed. That is a demand.

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-07 Thread Russell King - ARM Linux
On Fri, Jun 07, 2013 at 08:02:03PM +0100, luke.leighton wrote: well, tough. get me up to speed, *fast*. No, not unless you're willing to *pay* someone to spend time teaching you, because you are asking to be *taught* about the current situation, so you're asking someone to do some _work_ _for_

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-07 Thread Russell King - ARM Linux
On Fri, Jun 07, 2013 at 08:18:14PM +0100, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 7:26 PM, Russell King - ARM Linux li...@arm.linux.org.uk wrote: Luke Leighton on the other hand is demanding that we no demands have been made, russell: i've informed you of an immovable

RE: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-07 Thread joem
Confused yes - innocent mistake - 50% yes. I see now the posts are cc'd from arm-netbook mailing lists to many other mailing lists with different standards for noise. Apologies for not seeing that. arm-netbook list 'belongs' to luke, but generally the noise level is very low here and its aim is

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-07 Thread luke.leighton
right - too many people contributed to this, input from jon smirl, wookie, maxime, tomasz, henrik, i've made a start here and will continue editing: this is notes for me to put forward an agenda for discussion: http://hands.com/~lkcl/allwinner_linux_proposal.txt i'm setting a rule that each

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-07 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 8:35 PM, Russell King - ARM Linux li...@arm.linux.org.uk wrote: On Fri, Jun 07, 2013 at 08:18:14PM +0100, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 7:26 PM, Russell King - ARM Linux li...@arm.linux.org.uk wrote: Luke Leighton on the other hand is

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-07 Thread luke.leighton
On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 7:59 PM, Thomas Petazzoni thomas.petazz...@free-electrons.com wrote: Maxime will reply to this in more details, but I believe the status is: * Interrupt controller is working. * Clock drivers are working. * Pinctrl is working. * GPIO is working. * Timer is

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-07 Thread luke.leighton
On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 8:30 PM, Russell King - ARM Linux li...@arm.linux.org.uk wrote: On Fri, Jun 07, 2013 at 08:02:03PM +0100, luke.leighton wrote: well, tough. get me up to speed, *fast*. No, not unless you're willing to *pay* someone to spend time teaching you, there's not enough time.

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-07 Thread Maxime Ripard
On Fri, Jun 07, 2013 at 07:26:49PM +0100, luke.leighton wrote: maxime: we need to talk :) please tell me in 4 or 5 sentences what you've managed to do so far, expanding a little on what thomas says below, more specifically what it achieves and/or allows rather than technically what it does

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-07 Thread luke.leighton
On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 11:08 PM, Maxime Ripard maxime.rip...@free-electrons.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 07, 2013 at 07:26:49PM +0100, luke.leighton wrote: maxime: we need to talk :) please tell me in 4 or 5 sentences what you've managed to do so far, expanding a little on what thomas says below,

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-07 Thread Dennis Lan (dlan)
On Saturday, June 8, 2013, luke.leighton wrote: right - too many people contributed to this, input from jon smirl, wookie, maxime, tomasz, henrik, i've made a start here and will continue editing: this is notes for me to put forward an agenda for discussion:

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-07 Thread luke.leighton
On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 12:09 AM, Dennis Lan (dlan) dennis.y...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, June 8, 2013, luke.leighton wrote: right - too many people contributed to this, input from jon smirl, wookie, maxime, tomasz, henrik, i've made a start here and will continue editing: this is notes

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-06 Thread Thomas Petazzoni
Dear Tomasz Figa, On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 02:01:14 +0200, Tomasz Figa wrote: I don't see any other solution here than moving all the Allwinner code to DT (as it has been suggested in this thread several times already), as this is the only hardware description method supported by ARM Linux. Have

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-06 Thread Mark Brown
On Thu, Jun 06, 2013 at 02:01:14AM +0200, Tomasz Figa wrote: I don't see any other solution here than moving all the Allwinner code to DT (as it has been suggested in this thread several times already), as this is the only hardware description method supported by ARM Linux. Well, the server

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-06 Thread Tomasz Figa
Hi Thomas, On Thursday 06 of June 2013 11:27:23 Thomas Petazzoni wrote: Dear Tomasz Figa, On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 02:01:14 +0200, Tomasz Figa wrote: I don't see any other solution here than moving all the Allwinner code to DT (as it has been suggested in this thread several times already),

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-06 Thread luke.leighton
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 1:15 AM, Henrik Nordström hen...@henriknordstrom.net wrote: conditions. I don't know what you really mean here, only that it's not target market. mass-volume tablet, mass-volume IPTV box. android OS, nothing else. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-06 Thread luke.leighton
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 1:19 AM, Henrik Nordström hen...@henriknordstrom.net wrote: tor 2013-06-06 klockan 00:54 +0100 skrev luke.leighton: Not really the case. Actually the opposite. DT have this as well, and integrated in device probing. Allwinner need to hack every driver used to add

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-06 Thread luke.leighton
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 1:01 AM, Tomasz Figa tomasz.f...@gmail.com wrote: I don't see any other solution here than moving all the Allwinner code to DT (as it has been suggested in this thread several times already), as this is the only hardware description method supported by ARM Linux. i

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-06 Thread Tomasz Figa
Luke, On Thursday 06 of June 2013 13:24:57 luke.leighton wrote: On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 1:01 AM, Tomasz Figa tomasz.f...@gmail.com wrote: I don't see any other solution here than moving all the Allwinner code to DT (as it has been suggested in this thread several times already), as this is

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-06 Thread luke.leighton
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 1:43 PM, Tomasz Figa tomasz.f...@gmail.com wrote: Luke, On Thursday 06 of June 2013 13:24:57 luke.leighton wrote: On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 1:01 AM, Tomasz Figa tomasz.f...@gmail.com wrote: I don't see any other solution here than moving all the Allwinner code to DT

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-06 Thread Vladimir Pantelic
luke.leighton wrote: On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 1:19 AM, Henrik Nordström hen...@henriknordstrom.net wrote: tor 2013-06-06 klockan 00:54 +0100 skrev luke.leighton: Not really the case. Actually the opposite. DT have this as well, and integrated in device probing. Allwinner need to hack every

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-06 Thread Tomasz Figa
On Thursday 06 of June 2013 13:49:38 luke.leighton wrote: On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 1:43 PM, Tomasz Figa tomasz.f...@gmail.com wrote: Luke, On Thursday 06 of June 2013 13:24:57 luke.leighton wrote: On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 1:01 AM, Tomasz Figa tomasz.f...@gmail.com wrote: I don't see

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-06 Thread Russell King - ARM Linux
On Thu, Jun 06, 2013 at 01:24:57PM +0100, luke.leighton wrote: On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 1:01 AM, Tomasz Figa tomasz.f...@gmail.com wrote: I don't see any other solution here than moving all the Allwinner code to DT (as it has been suggested in this thread several times already), as this is

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-06 Thread Russell King - ARM Linux
On Thu, Jun 06, 2013 at 01:22:04PM +0100, luke.leighton wrote: On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 1:19 AM, Henrik Nordström hen...@henriknordstrom.net wrote: tor 2013-06-06 klockan 00:54 +0100 skrev luke.leighton: Not really the case. Actually the opposite. DT have this as well, and integrated in

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-06 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Thu, Jun 06, 2013 at 01:24:57PM +0100, luke.leighton wrote: On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 1:01 AM, Tomasz Figa tomasz.f...@gmail.com wrote: I don't see any other solution here than moving all the Allwinner code to DT (as it has been suggested in this thread several times already), as this is

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-06 Thread Olof Johansson
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 7:02 AM, Theodore Ts'o ty...@mit.edu wrote: On Thu, Jun 06, 2013 at 01:24:57PM +0100, luke.leighton wrote: On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 1:01 AM, Tomasz Figa tomasz.f...@gmail.com wrote: I don't see any other solution here than moving all the Allwinner code to DT (as it has

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-06 Thread jonsm...@gmail.com
On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 7:54 PM, luke.leighton luke.leigh...@gmail.com wrote: augh. ok. solutions. what are the solutions here? Luke if you really want to fix this a good solution is to have Allwinner join Linaro and provide an engineer to the Linaro effort. That engineer will get educated on

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-06 Thread Olof Johansson
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 8:13 AM, jonsm...@gmail.com jonsm...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 7:54 PM, luke.leighton luke.leigh...@gmail.com wrote: augh. ok. solutions. what are the solutions here? Luke if you really want to fix this a good solution is to have Allwinner join Linaro

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-06 Thread Maxime Ripard
Hi everyone, On Thu, Jun 06, 2013 at 09:00:00AM -0700, Olof Johansson wrote: On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 8:13 AM, jonsm...@gmail.com jonsm...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 7:54 PM, luke.leighton luke.leigh...@gmail.com wrote: augh. ok. solutions. what are the solutions here?

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-06 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Thu, Jun 06, 2013 at 07:28:10PM +0200, Maxime Ripard wrote: I should also add that Allwinner not only talked to us already, but also expressed interest in doing actual modern kernel development (like using recently introduced kernel frameworks, like the clk framework). I've received

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-06 Thread Henrik Nordström
tor 2013-06-06 klockan 13:19 +0100 skrev luke.leighton: mass-volume tablet, mass-volume IPTV box. android OS, nothing else. Which still includes a number of possible configurations with different i2c, spi, usb etc devices connected on the board. Because Allwinner is not using mainline methods

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-06 Thread Henrik Nordström
tor 2013-06-06 klockan 13:22 +0100 skrev luke.leighton: idea: hook into devicetree gpio functions to allow script-fex gpio functions to gain access in a separate module? that sort of thing. No. Drop FEX from the kernel, use DT. There is no reason why the kernel shold care about the FEX

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-06 Thread Arnd Bergmann
On Thursday 06 June 2013, Maxime Ripard wrote: So yes, Allwinner has an evil vendor tree (c), with a solution similar yet inferior (because not generic enough) to the device tree, but they show interest on going down the mainline road. Right, and of course there is nothing special about that,

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-05 Thread Henrik Nordström
ons 2013-06-05 klockan 22:24 +0100 skrev Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton: And Then Some, stephen. there are two versions of u-boot being used: one is the community-assembled [GPL-compliant] one, and the other includes a [as-of-a-few-days-ago-but-no-longer, yay!] formerly-GPL-violating one from

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-05 Thread luke.leighton
On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 10:47 PM, Henrik Nordström hen...@henriknordstrom.net wrote: ons 2013-06-05 klockan 22:15 +0100 skrev Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton: what we do not want to happen is that they see upstream patches being submitted, they merge them into their internal tree (which to date

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-05 Thread Henrik Nordström
ons 2013-06-05 klockan 22:15 +0100 skrev Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton: what we do not want to happen is that they see upstream patches being submitted, they merge them into their internal tree (which to date has had zero upstream changes: they're currently only just getting round to doing 3.4

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-05 Thread luke.leighton
On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 10:59 PM, Henrik Nordström hen...@henriknordstrom.net wrote: and then there's the boot0 and boot1 loaders, these *do* have no, these are not tiny. boot0 is 24KB to fit the initial embedded SRAM (not cache), but boot1 is on pair with u-boot in size and runs from

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-05 Thread Stephen Warren
On 06/05/2013 03:59 PM, Henrik Nordström wrote: ons 2013-06-05 klockan 22:24 +0100 skrev Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton: ... so the point is: if anyone wishes me to propose to allwinner that they convert over to devicetree, or any other proposal which involves significant low-level changes to

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-05 Thread jonsm...@gmail.com
On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 6:47 PM, luke.leighton luke.leigh...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 10:59 PM, Henrik Nordström hen...@henriknordstrom.net wrote: and then there's the boot0 and boot1 loaders, these *do* have no, these are not tiny. boot0 is 24KB to fit the initial

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-05 Thread Henrik Nordström
ons 2013-06-05 klockan 16:54 -0600 skrev Stephen Warren: 1) Put all the parameters in the U-Boot configuration header. This is normal. Yes, we do so today for U-Boot SPL. But this won't fit very well with the Allwinner ODM workflow where one binary image works on a wide range of board

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-05 Thread luke.leighton
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 12:07 AM, jonsm...@gmail.com jonsm...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 6:47 PM, luke.leighton luke.leigh...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 10:59 PM, Henrik Nordström hen...@henriknordstrom.net wrote: and then there's the boot0 and boot1 loaders,

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-05 Thread jonsm...@gmail.com
On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 7:26 PM, luke.leighton luke.leigh...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 12:07 AM, jonsm...@gmail.com jonsm...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 6:47 PM, luke.leighton luke.leigh...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 10:59 PM, Henrik Nordström

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-05 Thread Henrik Nordström
tor 2013-06-06 klockan 00:26 +0100 skrev luke.leighton: no john - they've only added it to the multiplexed sections of the drivers which they themselves have written. such as drivers/usb/sun{N}i_usb/*.[ch], drivers/block/nand/sun{N}_i, arch/arm/mach-sun{N}i and so on. And a number of SPI

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-05 Thread luke.leighton
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 12:40 AM, Henrik Nordström hen...@henriknordstrom.net wrote: tor 2013-06-06 klockan 00:26 +0100 skrev luke.leighton: no john - they've only added it to the multiplexed sections of the drivers which they themselves have written. such as drivers/usb/sun{N}i_usb/*.[ch],

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-05 Thread luke.leighton
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 12:40 AM, jonsm...@gmail.com jonsm...@gmail.com wrote: I have a Cubieboard and I have a pca9532 on my desk. Now I want to attach this pca9532 to the Cubieboard so I wire them together on I2C. How is the Allwinner kernel going to load the driver for the pca9532? The

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-05 Thread Tomasz Figa
On Thursday 06 of June 2013 00:54:02 luke.leighton wrote: On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 12:40 AM, Henrik Nordström hen...@henriknordstrom.net wrote: tor 2013-06-06 klockan 00:26 +0100 skrev luke.leighton: no john - they've only added it to the multiplexed sections of the drivers which they

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-05 Thread Henrik Nordström
tor 2013-06-06 klockan 00:52 +0100 skrev luke.leighton: How is the Allwinner kernel going to load the driver for the pca9532? The mainline pca9532 driver does not understand fex so it can't read the necessary initialization data. jon: you're immediately outside of the target market for

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-05 Thread Henrik Nordström
tor 2013-06-06 klockan 00:54 +0100 skrev luke.leighton: Not really the case. Actually the opposite. DT have this as well, and integrated in device probing. Allwinner need to hack every driver used to add their gpio requests to have pinmuxing triggered. augh. ok. solutions. what are

Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

2013-06-05 Thread Henrik Nordström
ons 2013-06-05 klockan 23:20 +0100 skrev luke.leighton: ok: great. so we have something that i can potentially propose to them. now: what reason can i give that they should accept this? what's the biggest incentive for them, here, to make these changes? what would they gain? Mainly a