Re: Mediation not Politics (Re: removal of svenl from the project)

On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 10:57:42PM -0500, C Shore wrote: > Abstract Thanks for your message, this indeed sums up my feeling very well. As for mediation, seeing the thing go into an impass, i asked Andreas Barth (on the technical comittee) to mediate on thursday/friday, and went into offline land,

Re: Mediation not Politics (Re: removal of svenl from the project)

On Wednesday 15 March 2006 21:57, C Shore wrote: > Abstract > >snip< > Sven is certainly not quiet, however from what I have seen of > type of response his suggestions and posts get, he is justifiably > frustrated. I am personally surprised he hasn't gotten disgusted > with the project and left, o

Mediation not Politics (Re: removal of svenl from the project)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Abstract "Please can't we all just get along?" Ok, I'm not quite that naive, but I would like to see (or proof of previous attempts at) conciliation before such a highly political approach as a formal expulsion request to a personnel issue. Further

Re: removal of svenl from the project

#include * [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Wed, Mar 15 2006, 01:32:41PM]: > I have no dog in this fight, and I do not take sides, but Debian > needs good developers it seems that some developers want to drive > as many people out of Debian as possible. At this rate Debian will > cease to be revelant, just

Re: removal of svenl from the project

On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 10:59:46AM -0500, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > So far, I have never took the time to study the detail of the expulsion > process, so sorry if this mail is inappropriate. But be sure that I will > do everything I can as a DD to stop Sven's expulsion. Here another DD that

Re: removal of svenl from the project

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear Friends, First of all i apologise for my poor english (portuguese :-)) I follow de dev lists of debian for several months now, my knowlege in linux whas not so good so i never applyed to be a developper and also my time isnt much :-(. (maybe

Re: removal of svenl from the project

martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > also sprach Gustavo Franco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.03.15.1512 +0100]: >> It seems that the project is splitting in two groups basically: >> The people that wants to work together and release Etch, and the >> people that with a reason or not wants to

Re: removal of svenl from the project

Andres Salomon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> I strongly oppose to such an expulsion. > > It amazes me that people oppose expulsion, but are perfectly happy to > allow the DAMs to decide whether or not a NM is to be let into the > project. Why do we trust the DAM's judgement in one scenario but n

Re: removal of svenl from the project

On Wednesday 15 March 2006 08:40, Andres Salomon wrote: > The DAM has accepted the request; please send seconds directly to > [EMAIL PROTECTED], cc'ing me as well. > > For the people who seem to think that there are more constructive > ways of dealing w/ this issue rather than the expulsion process

Re: removal of svenl from the project

On Wednesday 15 March 2006 08:40, Andres Salomon wrote: > The DAM has accepted the request; please send seconds directly to > [EMAIL PROTECTED], cc'ing me as well. > > For the people who seem to think that there are more constructive > ways of dealing w/ this issue rather than the expulsion process

Re: removal of svenl from the project

also sprach Gustavo Franco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.03.15.1512 +0100]: > It seems that the project is splitting in two groups basically: > The people that wants to work together and release Etch, and the > people that with a reason or not wants to see it delayed. The > minute after the release tea

Re: removal of svenl from the project

On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 09:40:15AM -0500, Andres Salomon wrote: > The DAM has accepted the request; please send seconds directly to > [EMAIL PROTECTED], cc'ing me as well. > > For the people who seem to think that there are more constructive ways > of dealing w/ this issue rather than the expulsio

Re: removal of svenl from the project

On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 05:56:10PM +, Matthew Garrett wrote: > On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 05:56:05PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > > I was a bit short on you, because you started to make noise about the reason > > for the refusal being a #include being wrongly placed in the patch, and a > > print

Re: removal of svenl from the project

On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 05:56:05PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > I was a bit short on you, because you started to make noise about the reason > for the refusal being a #include being wrongly placed in the patch, and a > printk that was not strictly necessary, which i think for someone like you or >

Re: removal of svenl from the project

On 3/14/06, Andres Salomon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > I am going through the expulsion process to have Sven Luther removed > from the project. The process is outlined here: > , > and I have already completed step 1. >

Re: removal of svenl from the project

On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 01:00:19PM +, Matthew Garrett wrote: > Pierre Habouzit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I know Sven may sometimes be a bit overpresent in some trolls, he also=20 > > may answer too quick, without having read the mail he answers to=20 > > correctly enough. But AFAICT, I'

Re: removal of svenl from the project

On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 05:00, Matthew Garrett wrote: > Pierre Habouzit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I know Sven may sometimes be a bit overpresent in some trolls, he also=20 > > may answer too quick, without having read the mail he answers to=20 > > correctly enough. But AFAICT, I've always seen h

Re: removal of svenl from the project

Le Mer 15 Mars 2006 15:05, Andres Salomon a écrit : > On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 11:25 +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote: > > Le Mer 15 Mars 2006 03:01, Andres Salomon a écrit : > > > Hi, > > > > > > I am going through the expulsion process to have Sven Luther > > > removed from the project. The process is

Re: removal of svenl from the project

Pierre Habouzit writes: > I strongly oppose to such an expulsion. So do I. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: removal of svenl from the project

On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 09:01:09PM -0500, Andres Salomon wrote: > Some might argue that we should just kick him from the channel and > remove his commit access to the debian-kernel project, but that does not > solve the problem of him abusing other teams, as well as his abusive > mailing list posts

Re: removal of svenl from the project

The DAM has accepted the request; please send seconds directly to [EMAIL PROTECTED], cc'ing me as well. For the people who seem to think that there are more constructive ways of dealing w/ this issue rather than the expulsion process: http://squishy.cc/svenl.txt This is a lot from two weeks ago,

Re: removal of svenl from the project

On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 11:25 +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote: > Le Mer 15 Mars 2006 03:01, Andres Salomon a écrit : > > Hi, > > > > I am going through the expulsion process to have Sven Luther removed > > from the project. The process is outlined here: > >

Re: removal of svenl from the project

Mike Bird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Your accusation fails to allege sufficient facts to constitute > an allegation of defamation. The facts have previously been discussed elsewhere. I replied merely to point out that Sven does not always apologise for his behaviour. > Rather than wasting lis

Re: removal of svenl from the project

On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 09:01:09PM -0500, Andres Salomon wrote: > I am going through the expulsion process to have Sven Luther removed > from the project. The process is outlined here: > , > and I have already completed step 1.

Re: removal of svenl from the project

On Tue, Mar 14, 2006, Andres Salomon wrote: > Hi, Hi! > I am going through the expulsion process to have Sven Luther removed > from the project. Hahaha oh wow. You got it the wrong way, you should only do that _after_ someone posts http://zoy.org/~sam/ftwcal.jpeg to d-d-a. Now I have no ot

Re: removal of svenl from the project

Pierre Habouzit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I know Sven may sometimes be a bit overpresent in some trolls, he also=20 > may answer too quick, without having read the mail he answers to=20 > correctly enough. But AFAICT, I've always seen him apologies when he=20 > did so (I can provide links if yo

Re: removal of svenl from the project

Le mardi 14 mars 2006 à 21:01 -0500, Andres Salomon a écrit : > Hi, > > I am going through the expulsion process to have Sven Luther removed > from the project. If this is a joke, it's not funny. I happen to prefer Andrew Suffield's humour. -- .''`. Josselin Mouette/\./\ : :'

Re: removal of svenl from the project

Le Mer 15 Mars 2006 03:01, Andres Salomon a écrit : > Hi, > > I am going through the expulsion process to have Sven Luther removed > from the project. The process is outlined here: > >, and I have already completed step 1. I st

Re: removal of svenl from the project

On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 09:01:09PM -0500, Andres Salomon wrote: > Hi, > > I am going through the expulsion process to have Sven Luther removed > from the project. The process is outlined here: > , > and I have already completed

Re: removal of svenl from the project

On Tue, 2006-03-14 at 21:01 -0500, Andres Salomon wrote: [...] > Sven has always been a nuisance to deal w/, but up until now I have not > considered this action. In the past two weeks, the following comments > made by him have changed my mind: > > 2006-03-07: > jonas: i hope we never again meet

removal of svenl from the project

Hi, I am going through the expulsion process to have Sven Luther removed from the project. The process is outlined here: , and I have already completed step 1. Step #2 requires the support of some 15 developers. I am attemptin