Re: DFSG and fonts [was: Bug#91856: Hello]

2001-04-04 Thread Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS
James Troup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > While the issues on unmodifiable non-software stuff in Debian are > > > not as clear-cut as Branden has made them out to be (I know of at > > > least a half dozen packages in main that are unmodifiable, that were > > > put there knowing that) > > > > What ar

Re: Libapache-mod-backhand: load balancing Apache requests.

2001-04-04 Thread James Bromberger
Many thanks to Henning, John, Sam and Thomas; I am taking this licence as DFSG OK, and will be trying to get this package into "main" after a tad more testing. Your help is very much appreciated. James -- James Bromberger www.rcpt.to/~james * * C u in Bordeaux - 1st Debian Confe

Re: Libapache-mod-backhand: load balancing Apache requests.

2001-04-04 Thread Richard Braakman
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 04:27:26PM +0800, James Bromberger wrote: > I am taking this licence as DFSG OK, and will be trying to get this > package into "main" after a tad more testing. Your help is very > much appreciated. Hmm, it might not be DFSG OK until *after* you have renamed it. Surely a D

Re: Libapache-mod-backhand: load balancing Apache requests.

2001-04-04 Thread Mark Wielaard
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 11:38:29AM +0300, Richard Braakman wrote: > On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 04:27:26PM +0800, James Bromberger wrote: > > I am taking this licence as DFSG OK, and will be trying to get this > > package into "main" after a tad more testing. Your help is very > > much appreciated. >

Re: Libapache-mod-backhand: load balancing Apache requests.

2001-04-04 Thread James Bromberger
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 11:38:29AM +0300, Richard Braakman wrote: > On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 04:27:26PM +0800, James Bromberger wrote: > > I am taking this licence as DFSG OK, and will be trying to get this > > package into "main" after a tad more testing. Your help is very > > much appreciated. >

Re: DFSG and fonts [was: Bug#91856: Hello]

2001-04-04 Thread Joseph Carter
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 08:37:12AM +0100, Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS wrote: > > > What are they? They need serious bugs filed against them. > > > > e.g. doc-rfc ? > > The GNU General Public Licence itself may not be modified. I hope this > doesn't mean ... Copyright licenses as legal documents may

Re: Libapache-mod-backhand: load balancing Apache requests.

2001-04-04 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit James Bromberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > In December, 2000, the mod_backhand author wrote to me: > > You, of course, don't need my permission to make it up into=20 > > a debian package (given the license,) but I appreciate you asking! =20 > > I would be delighted if you packaged and maintai

Re: DFSG and fonts [was: Bug#91856: Hello]

2001-04-04 Thread Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS
Joseph Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > What are they? They need serious bugs filed against them. > > > > > > e.g. doc-rfc ? > > > > The GNU General Public Licence itself may not be modified. I hope this > > doesn't mean ... > > Copyright licenses as legal documents may not be modified ex

Re: Libapache-mod-backhand: load balancing Apache requests.

2001-04-04 Thread Richard Braakman
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 10:47:52AM +0200, Mark Wielaard wrote: > On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 11:38:29AM +0300, Richard Braakman wrote: > > Hmm, it might not be DFSG OK until *after* you have renamed it. > > Surely a Debian package is a derived product? > If that was the case then the Apache package sho

Re: Libapache-mod-backhand: load balancing Apache requests.

2001-04-04 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Richard Braakman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > We could get the cited "prior written permission", but if that > permission applies only to Debian then I think we run into DFSG > clause 8, "License must not be specific to Debian". I don't think so. I think DFSG #8 means "the software must be free

Re: Making Scilab free (as in speech) software

2001-04-04 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Just had a reply from a Scilab author, and this is what I replied back. He gave me permission to post it here. Peter --- Forwarded Message From: Peter S Galbraith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Making Scilab free (as in speech) software In-reply-to: (Your message o

Re: Libapache-mod-backhand: load balancing Apache requests.

2001-04-04 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Henning Makholm wrote: > Scripsit Richard Braakman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > We could get the cited "prior written permission", but if that > > permission applies only to Debian then I think we run into DFSG > > clause 8, "License must not be specific to Debian". > > I don't think so. I think D

Re: DFSG and fonts [was: Bug#91856: Hello]

2001-04-04 Thread Joseph Carter
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 10:56:39AM +0100, Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS wrote: > > Copyright licenses as legal documents may not be modified except by the > > holder of the Copyright under law. As such, NO license is itself able to > > meet the terms of the DFSG and must be excepted. > > You have misunder

Re: DFSG and fonts [was: Bug#91856: Hello]

2001-04-04 Thread Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS
Joseph Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > The fact is that it is against the FSF's goals to have the GPL be at all > modifyable. Given that our goals are similar, we're not likely to declare > the GPL as non-free. Suggesting that we should, as you seem to be doing, > can only be regarded as flamebait

Re: Libapache-mod-backhand: load balancing Apache requests.

2001-04-04 Thread Brian Behlendorf
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Richard Braakman wrote: > Hmm. In /usr/share/doc/apache/copyright there is this clause: > > 5. Products derived from this software may not be called "Apache" > nor may "Apache" appear in their names without prior written > permission of the Apache Group. > > This seems

Free Digital Artwork Guidelines

2001-04-04 Thread Thomas Uwe Gruettmueller
Hi, debian legal list! In these days, there was a discussion about free fonts on this list, so I guess this fits here: I would like to start a free music project, and therefore maybe adopt the DFSG as a point to start from. The only problem I see is that in some cases, the enforcement of source

Trackers Public License

2001-04-04 Thread Thomas Uwe Gruettmueller
Hi, folks! This is not really Debian related, but nevertheless, please have a look at the license draft below. Word explaination: A tracker is a raster sequencer program with a built-in sample-based synthesizer, or the user of such a program. A sample is a digital sound recording. Th

Re: Libapache-mod-backhand: load balancing Apache requests.

2001-04-04 Thread John Galt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Richard Braakman wrote: >On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 04:27:26PM +0800, James Bromberger wrote: >> I am taking this licence as DFSG OK, and will be trying to get this >> package into "main" after a tad more testing. Your help is very >>

Re: DFSG and fonts [was: Bug#91856: Hello]

2001-04-04 Thread idalton
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 07:50:06PM +0100, Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS wrote: > Joseph Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > The fact is that it is against the FSF's goals to have the GPL be at all > > modifyable. Given that our goals are similar, we're not likely to declare > > the GPL as non-free. Suggest

Re: DFSG and fonts [was: Bug#91856: Hello]

2001-04-04 Thread David Starner
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 11:03:38AM -0700, Joseph Carter wrote: > The importance of being able to modify any particular piece of software > may not always be critical to some in all cases, but as a general rule it > is NECESSARY to be able to modify the code you run on your machine. It is > not so

Re: DFSG and fonts [was: Bug#91856: Hello]

2001-04-04 Thread David Starner
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 11:03:38AM -0700, Joseph Carter wrote: > such a philisophical view, the technical ramifications of not allowing > modification of code are simple and worrysome - usually leading to the > situation we have with the people in Redmond and other software developers > worldwide:

Re: Libapache-mod-backhand: load balancing Apache requests.

2001-04-04 Thread Richard Braakman
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 01:26:13PM -0700, Brian Behlendorf wrote: > I am pretty sure that such a clause has always been a part of the Apache > licenses. The intent is pretty simple - we don't want people calling > their commercial derivatives "Apache++", "ApachePro", etc. I think there was an ear