Re: PROPOSED: interpretive guidelines regarding DFSG 3, modifiability, and invariant text

2001-11-28 Thread Chris Lawrence
I'm wading into dangerous waters here, methinks... :) I think Branden's proposal is well-intentioned, but ultimately the wrong approach to dealing with this problem. I think the standard that should be applied is not about kilobytes or percentages, but whether or not the licensing restrictions on

Re: PROPOSED: interpretive guidelines regarding DFSG 3, modifiability, and invariant text

2001-11-28 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 09:41:06PM -0600, Steve Greenland wrote: > You'd rather have a quantitative rule, and the ability to occasionally > say "Yes, it violates the numerical limits, but it's not abuse, and > we're going to accept it." (Again, that's how I understand your > position.) But this end

Re: PROPOSED: interpretive guidelines regarding DFSG 3, modifiability, and invariant text

2001-11-28 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 05:41:00PM -0700, Richard Stallman wrote: > This is one possibility I proposed to RMS. Essentially, I proposed that > all Invariant Sections had to be placed in debian/copyright, and that > any duplicates of his Invariant text in the "actual" documentation would

Re: PROPOSED: interpretive guidelines regarding DFSG 3, modifiability, and invariant text

2001-11-28 Thread Steve Greenland
On 28-Nov-01, 09:55 (CST), Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't think you've been reading my messages. I have. I didn't go back and re-read before I posted, so I stupidly managed to pick a bad example. > 2) I've said every time I've mentioned threshholds that they are numbers >

Re: PROPOSED: interpretive guidelines regarding DFSG 3, modifiability, and invariant text

2001-11-28 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 05:40:46PM -0700, Richard Stallman wrote: > No position on this question can be construed from the DFSG. The > question is what right criterion to use in a specific part of your > proposed guidelines. The DFSG does not say much about this whole > area, which is why you are

Re: PROPOSED: interpretive guidelines regarding DFSG 3, modifiability, and invariant text

2001-11-28 Thread Richard Stallman
This is one possibility I proposed to RMS. Essentially, I proposed that all Invariant Sections had to be placed in debian/copyright, and that any duplicates of his Invariant text in the "actual" documentation would be modifiable. That is unacceptable because it would allow modifie

Re: PROPOSED: interpretive guidelines regarding DFSG 3, modifiability, and invariant text

2001-11-28 Thread Richard Stallman
> GNU Emacs comes with some auxiliary material (non-technical articles) > that does not allow modification. I think that should be ok > because they are non-technical. That's a perfectly legitimate position in its own right, but it cannot reasonably be construed from the text

Re: PROPOSED: interpretive guidelines regarding DFSG 3, modifiability, and invariant text

2001-11-28 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 07:52:17AM -0600, Steve Greenland wrote: > Hmm. The uncompressed GPL2 is 18k (at least in my > /usr/share/common-licenses; YMMV). There are many programs covered by > the GPL2 whose source code isn't even 18k, much less 360k (20*18k). > > So these done meet either of Brande

Re: PROPOSED: interpretive guidelines regarding DFSG 3, modifiability, and invariant text

2001-11-28 Thread Steve Greenland
On 27-Nov-01, 14:53 (CST), Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 06:59:57PM +, M. Drew Streib wrote: > > The intent, although IMO abusable, is to give the author a chance to make > > a statement, but continue to allow derivative works of all the actual > > relev