Re: Endorsements (was Re: GPL compatibility of DFCL)

2002-06-17 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit John Galt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > True enough, but what if they were legally binding electronic signatures? > Let someone try to attach a signature where it wasn't supposed to be and > watch them go to jail PDQ No, the point about electronic signatures is that the only one who *can*

Re: GPL compatibility of DFCL

2002-06-17 Thread Joe Moore
Steve Langasek Wrote: > On Fri, Jun 14, 2002 at 01:50:07PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: >> If someone aggregates my MITed work into a GPLed whole, and then >> someone else takes my MITed work back out, my work *remains under the >> MIT license*. *It is not licensed under the GNU GPL*. This is N

Re: GPL compatibility of DFCL

2002-06-17 Thread Joe Moore
Glenn Maynard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> worte: > Branden suggested this in [EMAIL PROTECTED], I > think: what if a piece of code was under these types of terms, and when > removed, instead of reverting to less restrictive terms than the GPL > (as programs normally do), reverted to a proprietary license?

Re: GPL compatibility of DFCL

2002-06-17 Thread Joe Moore
Nick Phillips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You can license it under the GPL, but if anyone successfully > demonstrates that it is all MIT-derived, there will be an interesting > argument as to whether or not your removal of chunks constitutes enough > work to grant you copyright (remember, performi

OT: extracting a public-domain part from an anthology

2002-06-17 Thread Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS
Joe Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Ah, here's an analogy that makes sense. Consider software that is an > anthology of works by several authors under several licenses. Clearly the > compliling (not in the software sense) author has performed significant > work. However, the license for the anthol

Re: OT: extracting a public-domain part from an anthology

2002-06-17 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Most ancient documents exist in many different versions. There is > significant work involved in putting together a particular text. I > would guess that this work is covered by copyright, so you can't just > take the text from a recent and expens

Re: OT: extracting a public-domain part from an anthology

2002-06-17 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > [*] I once wanted a reliable text of some Edgar Allan Poe. There were > versions all over the web, of course, but they were all slightly > different. I made a list of the differences and consulted a microfilm > copy of an original edition in Cambr

Re: OT: extracting a public-domain part from an anthology

2002-06-17 Thread Joe Moore
Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Joe Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> I can create derivative works from Homer's _Illiad_ even though the >> copy I'm basing it on is in the Norton Anthology of Literature. > > Most ancient documents exist in many different versions. There is >signific

Re: GNU FDL 1.2 draft comment summary posted, and RFD

2002-06-17 Thread Walter Landry
Jeff Licquia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 2002-06-16 at 21:29, Walter Landry wrote: > > Jeff Licquia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > That's not the problem of the distributor. If they handwrite "you can > > > get your own copy from http://foo.com/bar"; on the back of the last page, > > >

Re: TeX files in etc

2002-06-17 Thread Thomas Esser
> Claire M. Connelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> has pointed out several other > problematic files. Some with a clear non-free license (e.g. "not on > cdrom" or "not sell") have been removed. But most of the packages have > some unclear status and I wonder if this should be resolved before

Re: GNU FDL 1.2 draft comment summary posted, and RFD

2002-06-17 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Mon, 2002-06-17 at 13:28, Walter Landry wrote: > Jeff Licquia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sun, 2002-06-16 at 21:29, Walter Landry wrote: > > > Jeff Licquia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > That's not the problem of the distributor. If they handwrite "you can > > > > get your own copy fr

Re: GPL compatibility of DFCL

2002-06-17 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Mon, Jun 17, 2002 at 10:41:00AM -0600, Joe Moore wrote: > Then the original license would not be compatible with the GPL. > > The additional restrictions that "magically appear" when the GPL'd code is > removed are, well, additional restrictions, incompatible with the GPL. That was (something

Re: GNU FDL 1.2 draft comment summary posted, and RFD

2002-06-17 Thread Walter Landry
Jeff Licquia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 2002-06-17 at 13:28, Walter Landry wrote: > > Jeff Licquia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Sun, 2002-06-16 at 21:29, Walter Landry wrote: > > > > Jeff Licquia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > That's not the problem of the distributor. If th

Re: GNU FDL 1.2 draft comment summary posted, and RFD

2002-06-17 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Mon, 2002-06-17 at 15:21, Walter Landry wrote: > The problem is not that the kids can't get the source, it is that the > Peace Corps volunteer can't give them paper copies. The volunteer > can't satisfy all of the conditions on distribution. I traced this thread back to my original proposal, a

[OT] Re: endorsements disclaimer as part of the warranty statement

2002-06-17 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Sun, Jun 16, 2002 at 07:47:56PM -0700, Ben Pfaff wrote: > > If evil.c is under the GPL, then it can be modified for any purpose > > (including disabling its functionality). > > For most purposes, yes, but not for *any* purpose. See section > 2(c) of the GPL for details: > > c) If the modi

Re: GNU FDL 1.2 draft comment summary posted, and RFD

2002-06-17 Thread Walter Landry
Jeff Licquia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 2002-06-17 at 15:21, Walter Landry wrote: > > The problem is not that the kids can't get the source, it is that the > > Peace Corps volunteer can't give them paper copies. The volunteer > > can't satisfy all of the conditions on distribution. > >

Re: GNU FDL 1.2 draft comment summary posted, and RFD

2002-06-17 Thread Brian Sniffen
Walter Landry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Jeff Licquia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Mon, 2002-06-17 at 15:21, Walter Landry wrote: >> > The problem is not that the kids can't get the source, it is that the >> > Peace Corps volunteer can't give them paper copies. The volunteer >> > can't sa

Re: GNU FDL 1.2 draft comment summary posted, and RFD

2002-06-17 Thread Walter Landry
Brian Sniffen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Walter Landry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Jeff Licquia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On Mon, 2002-06-17 at 15:21, Walter Landry wrote: > >> > The problem is not that the kids can't get the source, it is that the > >> > Peace Corps volunteer can

Re: GNU FDL 1.2 draft comment summary posted, and RFD

2002-06-17 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Mon, 2002-06-17 at 16:35, Walter Landry wrote: > Jeff Licquia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If the Peace Corps volunteer handwrites the URL for the source on the > > back of each of the paper copies, then (s)he has fulfilled the license. > > As an added bonus, the Ghanians don't have to do any

Re: GNU FDL 1.2 draft comment summary posted, and RFD

2002-06-17 Thread Nick Phillips
On Mon, Jun 17, 2002 at 02:35:11PM -0700, Walter Landry wrote: > > If the Peace Corps volunteer handwrites the URL for the source on the > > back of each of the paper copies, then (s)he has fulfilled the license. > > As an added bonus, the Ghanians don't have to do anything to fulfill the > > dis

Re: GNU FDL 1.2 draft comment summary posted, and RFD

2002-06-17 Thread Walter Landry
Jeff Licquia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 2002-06-17 at 16:35, Walter Landry wrote: > > Jeff Licquia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > If the Peace Corps volunteer handwrites the URL for the source on the > > > back of each of the paper copies, then (s)he has fulfilled the license. > > > As

Re: Endorsements (was Re: GPL compatibility of DFCL)

2002-06-17 Thread John Galt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 17 Jun 2002, Henning Makholm wrote: >Scripsit John Galt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> True enough, but what if they were legally binding electronic signatures? >> Let someone try to attach a signature where it wasn't supposed to be and >> watch them