Re: TeX Licenses & teTeX (Was: Re: forwarded message from Jeff Licquia)

2002-08-09 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Boris Veytsman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Well, earlier you claimed that only LaTeX community is completely > confused and misguided about our licenses. Now you you seem to claim > that both TeX users and Knuth himself do not understand what he > wrote. A rather cheeky notion. I spoke of those

Re: TeX Licenses & teTeX (Was: Re: forwarded message from Jeff Licquia)

2002-08-09 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Boris Veytsman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Now you are tempted to consider Knuth to be ignorant -- worse, to be > an evidently stupid person who does not realize he is ignorant and > pontificates about things he has no business to talk about. Well, > since it is established that Knuth is a great

Re: TeX Licenses & teTeX (Was: Re: forwarded message from Jeff Licquia)

2002-08-09 Thread Boris Veytsman
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Bushnell, BSG) > Date: 09 Aug 2002 19:07:26 -0700 > > In fact, everyone does, in fact, modify TeX before installing it. > Nobody, in fact, installs an unmodified TeX. This is a central fact > massively ignored by so many that I have to say it in each post, > ra

Re: TeX Licenses & teTeX (Was: Re: forwarded message from Jeff Licquia)

2002-08-09 Thread Boris Veytsman
First, three quotations: > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Bushnell, BSG) > Date: 09 Aug 2002 19:01:06 -0700 > > This is a massively inconsistent sentence. But there is one and only > one way to make it consistent. The files are in the public > domain--fully, completely--and the rest of the s

Re: TeX Licenses & teTeX (Was: Re: forwarded message from Jeff Licquia)

2002-08-09 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Boris Veytsman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I do NOT think that Debian really wishes to do this or to change > LaTeX. My understanding it that they want to have a *right* to do > this, but do not wish to exercise this right. The argument between > Thomas and me was exactly this: Thomas thinks tha

Re: TeX Licenses & teTeX (Was: Re: forwarded message from Jeff Licquia)

2002-08-09 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Frank Mittelbach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I fear you miss the cruical point here: > > Thomas interpretation is that of a crippled fragment of the TeX system that > he wants to judges on its own (ie let's look at TeX "the program") > while Boris, David, and I try to explain that it is our

Re: Font license recommendation

2002-08-09 Thread Lars Hellström
On 08 Aug 2002 15:37:29 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Bushnell, BSG) wrote: >Lars Hellström <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> In a broad sense of intent perhaps, but I got clear impression Thomas had >> something much more concrete and close in mind. > >The GPL applies to anything that counts as

Re: TeX Licenses & teTeX (Was: Re: forwarded message from Jeff Licquia)

2002-08-09 Thread Boris Veytsman
> Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 16:15:01 +0200 > From: Frank Mittelbach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Frank, thanks for a very lucid and thoughtful comment. It is very helpful. I must say, however, that I somewhat disagree with one of your points, namely: > > Thus our point is that building a distribution consi

Re: [Firebird-devel] Warning: readline is GPL - incompatible with

2002-08-09 Thread Joe Moore
Nick Phillips wrote: > On Thu, Aug 08, 2002 at 08:00:43AM -0600, Joe Moore wrote: >> Section 1 of the GPL grants permission to "copy and distribute >> verbatim copies". >> Section 2 grants permission to "modify [...], and copy, and >> distribute". Section 3 grants permission to "copy and distribute

Re: TeX Licenses & teTeX (Was: Re: forwarded message from Jeff Licquia)

2002-08-09 Thread Frank Mittelbach
Alan Shutko writes: > Boris Veytsman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I afraid you are in state of denial. You have certain ideas about > > programmer's freedom. You value these ideas too much, you just cannot > > accept the fact that Knuth does not share them. > > I doubt it's that. I t

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