Re: PHP-Nuke License Conclusion?

2003-05-22 Thread joemoore
Don Armstrong said: > On Thu, 22 May 2003, Nick Phillips wrote: >> I would assert, though, that it is possible to phrase one's >> construction such that it is not reasonable to argue about it. > > Sure. I think most of us would agree that an unequivocally proper > phrasing of such a construction is

Re: The debate on Invariant sections (long)

2003-05-22 Thread Walter Landry
Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 09:53:25PM -0400, Richard Stallman wrote: > > The GNU FDL does many other things, but you raised the issue of > > invariant sections, so my response focused on that issue. > > Just so you know, the Debian Project is also concern

Re: Bug#189164: libdbd-mysql-perl uses GPL lib, may be used by GPL-incompatible apps

2003-05-22 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, May 21, 2003 at 01:01:06AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > It seems wrong to me that we can take a free, but GPL-incompatible > application out of Debian main and hand it to two software distributors. > Each distributor grabs a different ABI-compatible implementation of a > shared library

Re: Removal of non-free (was Re: The debate on Invariant sections (long))

2003-05-22 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Thu, 2003-05-22 at 00:04, Simon Law wrote: > Is it an appropriate time to reconsider its mention in Section 4 > of our Social Contract? No. Wait until the voting GR is over. Then propose the get rid of non-free GR.

Re: Bug#189164: libdbd-mysql-perl uses GPL lib, may be used by GPL-incompatible apps

2003-05-22 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Wed, 2003-05-21 at 11:59, Brian T. Sniffen wrote: > I don't. If it makes use of features specific to the GNU version, it > should either use the "normally part of your OS" exception, or if > distributed with GNU grep be itself available under the GNU GPL. So every script that Debian distribut

Re: (forw) [Kurt@OpenLDAP.org: Re: GNUTLS support?]

2003-05-22 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, May 22, 2003 at 01:30:20PM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote: > Comments? I didn't think the OpenLDAP license had the same restrictions > the OpenSSL one did...? From http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html: GPL-Compatible, Free Software Licenses [...] The OpenLDAP License, Version 2.

Re: [OT] Droit d'auteur vs. free software?

2003-05-22 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Alessandro Rubini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Whatever Duchamp has done, I'm sure he did it more than 50 (70) years > > after Leonardo died. > He drew mustaches on a photograph of the painting, I think, and > exposed it. I'm fairly certain that would fall under the right to quote. (Most Eur

Re: PHP-Nuke License Conclusion?

2003-05-22 Thread Don Armstrong
On Thu, 22 May 2003, Nick Phillips wrote: > I would assert, though, that it is possible to phrase one's > construction such that it is not reasonable to argue about it. Sure. I think most of us would agree that an unequivocally proper phrasing of such a construction is to rewrite the entire lice

(forw) [Kurt@OpenLDAP.org: Re: GNUTLS support?]

2003-05-22 Thread Stephen Frost
Comments? I didn't think the OpenLDAP license had the same restrictions the OpenSSL one did...? - Forwarded message from "Kurt D. Zeilenga" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 10:15:03 -0700 From: "Kurt D. Zeilenga" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Stephen Frost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: o

Re: [OT] Droit d'auteur vs. free software?

2003-05-22 Thread Alessandro Rubini
>> For Duchamp, "violating" the Mona Lisa was an integral part of the >> artistic statement being made. > > Whatever Duchamp has done, I'm sure he did it more than 50 (70) years > after Leonardo died. He drew mustaches on a photograph of the painting, I think, and exposed it. He could show his

Re: Removal of non-free

2003-05-22 Thread Joel Baker
On Thu, May 22, 2003 at 01:30:52PM -, MJ Ray wrote: > Bernhard R. Link <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I fear there will always be non-free things or things becomming non-free > > in some way. > > This does not seem to be a reason for keeping the non-free section. If Debian is going to declare

Re: [OT] Droit d'auteur vs. free software?

2003-05-22 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Bushnell, BSG) > Henning Makholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Does that mean that you don't release your programs under a free > > license, or that you never thought about the license you use, or that > > you consider your choice of license to be severable fro

Re: PHP-Nuke License Conclusion?

2003-05-22 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Nick Phillips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > The branden dodges your magical sigh. The branden attacks you with a slew of words! The branden misses! > Maybe Henning or I should package something really trivial with a license > such as we are debating, just to make it completely obvious what we

Re: PHP-Nuke License Conclusion?

2003-05-22 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I say that when one constructs at cut-and-paste licence, then the > > words "this license" obviously refers to the entire cut-and-paste > > license, regardless of from where those words entered the > > cut-and-paste license.=20 > What do you mean

Re: Removal of non-free

2003-05-22 Thread Joey Hess
MJ Ray wrote: > > (And thus makes it easier to > > apply pressure to change the licence). > > Are there cases where software has fixed its licence as a direct result > of being put into non-free, except for cases where it was in main before? Yes, there are many cases of this apparently happening.

Re: Removal of non-free

2003-05-22 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [030522 16:11]: > > I fear there will always be non-free things or things becomming non-free > > in some way. > This does not seem to be a reason for keeping the non-free section. But it is a reason, why the "mozilla now exists" does not change the situation. It once w

Re: Removal of non-free

2003-05-22 Thread MJ Ray
Bernhard R. Link <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I fear there will always be non-free things or things becomming non-free > in some way. This does not seem to be a reason for keeping the non-free section. > I want things to become free by getting supperior or at least usable > alternatives (not by c

Re: Removal of non-free

2003-05-22 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Simon Law <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [030522 06:24]: > On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 09:53:25PM -0400, Richard Stallman wrote: > > I hope Debian won't adopt your views, but if it does, it won't be the > > first disagreement between Debian and the FSF. Debian wrote its own > > definition of free software whic

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Re: new-maintainer vs patents.

2003-05-22 Thread Dariush Pietrzak
> > > I've been asked to provide the list of patents that my package > > > may/may not be possibly infriging on. > > What package? By whom? Packages are those that I'm going to upload into debian - mplayer and pound. I just thought that it's generic issue - i didn't know that I'm supposed to chec

Re: PHP-Nuke License Conclusion?

2003-05-22 Thread Nick Phillips
On Wed, May 21, 2003 at 12:51:51PM -0400, Don Armstrong wrote: > Can you quote caselaw that demonstrates this to be the case? As far as > I can remember, I've never heard of such a license with additional > riders being litigated. [But then again, I'm not a lawyer, nor am I an > expert in licenses