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Re: Is OSL 2.0 compliant with DFSG?

2004-04-12 Thread Anders Torger
On Sunday 11 April 2004 19.49, Walter Landry wrote: > > I thought this was no different than from the GPL, it is just more > > clearly stated here in the OSL. But perhaps I am wrong? > > I use Google. If Google used OSL licensed code, then they would have > to make the source available. That is n

Re: License violation in "new" Plex86

2004-04-12 Thread Nathanael Nerode
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Brian Thomas Sniffen wrote: | Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | | |>| So, looking at the decision of the Gaiman/McFarlane case, that doesn't |>| appear to be the case: despite the sequential nature of comic book |>| production (storyine -

Re: Template Numerical Toolkit (TNT) license

2004-04-12 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Anibal Monsalve Salazar wrote: > Is the following license (not subject to copyright and in the public > domain) free? I think it is. Yes, the software is free. Technically, this isn't a license; the software really is in the public domain and no license is needed. Please do put the whole stateme

Re: Is OSL 2.0 compliant with DFSG?

2004-04-12 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Anders Torger wrote: > As I see it, this #9 is a sort of belt-and-braces clause which is more > or less redundant. This is non-free. Requiring users to implement click-wrap provisions is a substantial restriction modification of the most annoying sort. > The traditional way of distributing GPL

Re: Is license text copyrightable? [was: Re: Is OSL 2.0 compliant with DFSG?]

2004-04-12 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Francesco Poli wrote: > On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 09:44:18 -0400 Jeremy Hankins wrote: > >> This license is Copyright (C) 2003 Lawrence E. Rosen. All rights >> reserved. Permission is hereby granted to copy and distribute this >> license without modification. This license may not be modified >> with

Re: Debian-installer, older hardware, boot loaders, miboot & amiboot & ..

2004-04-12 Thread Ryan Underwood
Sorry for late reply. On Tue, Mar 30, 2004 at 09:03:19AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > Notice that there is 200bytes or so of m68k asm, most of them A-trap > calls to the Mac OS rom, concerned. I doubt you have much chance of > getting anything but a 100% identical code, whatever the way you go

Re: Is license text copyrightable? [was: Re: Is OSL 2.0 compliant with DFSG?]

2004-04-12 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 12 Apr 2004, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > Francesco Poli wrote: > > This brings up the question (once again): is a legal text, such as a > > copyright license, copyrightable? In which jurisdictions? > Not in the US. No idea about other countries. About once a month I seem to be running into

Re: Is OSL 2.0 compliant with DFSG?

2004-04-12 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-04-10 20:47:28 +0100 Sam Hartman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: MJ> For the question in the subject line: I still think that OSL MJ> 2.0 is not DFSG-free because it terminates copyright MJ> permission for any software patent action, including ones MJ> unrelated to the covered

Re: Binary-only firmware covered by the GPL?

2004-04-12 Thread Juergen E. Fischer
Hi Henning, On Tue, Mar 30, 2004 at 17:51:38 +0100, Henning Makholm wrote: > No, law does not work that way. The phrase "preferred form for > modification" has a clear enough, if somewhat fuzzy, literal meaning, > and one cannot *implicitly* make it mean something that directly > contrast to the l

Re: Binary-only firmware covered by the GPL?

2004-04-12 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit "Juergen E. Fischer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Tue, Mar 30, 2004 at 17:51:38 +0100, Henning Makholm wrote: > > No, law does not work that way. The phrase "preferred form for > > modification" has a clear enough, if somewhat fuzzy, literal meaning, > Doesn't that phrase only apply to parag

Re: Binary-only firmware covered by the GPL?

2004-04-12 Thread Juergen E. Fischer
Hi Henning, On Mon, Apr 12, 2004 at 20:54:37 +0100, Henning Makholm wrote: > I hadn't thought of that, but I don't think it makes a difference. A > court would be likely to reason thus: Section 1 uses the phrase > "source code" without defining it. On the other hand, there is an > explicit definit

Re: Binary-only firmware covered by the GPL?

2004-04-12 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit "Juergen E. Fischer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Mon, Apr 12, 2004 at 20:54:37 +0100, Henning Makholm wrote: > > I hadn't thought of that, but I don't think it makes a difference. A > > court would be likely to reason thus: Section 1 uses the phrase > > "source code" without defining it. On

Re: Debian-installer, older hardware, boot loaders, miboot & amiboot & ..

2004-04-12 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Ryan Underwood wrote: > > Sorry for late reply. > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2004 at 09:03:19AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: >> >> Notice that there is 200bytes or so of m68k asm, most of them A-trap >> calls to the Mac OS rom, concerned. I doubt you have much chance of >> getting anything but a 100% ident

Re: Is license text copyrightable? [was: Re: Is OSL 2.0 compliant with DFSG?]

2004-04-12 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Don Armstrong wrote: > On Mon, 12 Apr 2004, Nathanael Nerode wrote: >> Francesco Poli wrote: >> > This brings up the question (once again): is a legal text, such as a >> > copyright license, copyrightable? In which jurisdictions? >> Not in the US. No idea about other countries. > > About once a

Re: Is license text copyrightable? [was: Re: Is OSL 2.0 compliant with DFSG?]

2004-04-12 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 12 Apr 2004, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > However, the courts apparently never uphold claims of infrignement > based on the use of essentially-identical (boilerplate) legal text > in other contracts or licenses. (I think there was a case where the > supplier of fill-in-the-blank forms sued fo

Re: Is license text copyrightable? [was: Re: Is OSL 2.0 compliant with DFSG?]

2004-04-12 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Don Armstrong wrote: > On Mon, 12 Apr 2004, Nathanael Nerode wrote: >> However, the courts apparently never uphold claims of infrignement >> based on the use of essentially-identical (boilerplate) legal text >> in other contracts or licenses. (I think there was a case where the >> supplier of fil

Re: Is license text copyrightable? [was: Re: Is OSL 2.0 compliant with DFSG?]

2004-04-12 Thread Adam Kessel
On Mon, Apr 12, 2004 at 09:15:04PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > Perhaps you could explain the status of license and contract texts, since > the case quoted below is of no help whatsoever. These are not, as far as I > can tell, "the law" -- they are not laws or regulations -- and they are > rout

Re: Is license text copyrightable? [was: Re: Is OSL 2.0 compliant with DFSG?]

2004-04-12 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Adam Kessel wrote: > On Mon, Apr 12, 2004 at 09:15:04PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: >> Perhaps you could explain the status of license and contract texts, since >> the case quoted below is of no help whatsoever. These are not, as far as >> I can tell, "the law" -- they are not laws or regulatio