Re: DFSG#10 [was: Re: Draft Debian-legal summary of the LGPL]

2004-05-21 Thread Don Armstrong
On Fri, 21 May 2004, Steve Langasek wrote: > I think you're probably right that this option, if exercised, would > be non-free. However, I have never seen anyone exercise this > particular option -- I had even forgotten it was there. 8. If the distribution and/or use of the Program is res

Re: DFSG#10 [was: Re: Draft Debian-legal summary of the LGPL]

2004-05-21 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, May 21, 2004 at 11:36:17PM +0100, Lewis Jardine wrote: > 4 may be non-free: as RMS understands it, violating the GPL for a given > work terminates any rights you have to it, now and in the future, even > those which would otherwise be granted by having another copy of the > work distrib

Re: DFSG#10 [was: Re: Draft Debian-legal summary of the LGPL]

2004-05-21 Thread Glenn Maynard
(I've reinserted a portion of the quote that you shouldn't have snipped.) On Fri, May 21, 2004 at 06:01:22PM -0400, Raul Miller wrote: > On Fri, May 21, 2004 at 10:55:47PM +0200, Francesco Poli wrote: > > I'm not quite comfortable with this `grandfathering' thing. > > "if the GPL is not-quite-fre

Re: DFSG#10 [was: Re: Draft Debian-legal summary of the LGPL]

2004-05-21 Thread Lewis Jardine
Raul Miller wrote: On Fri, May 21, 2004 at 10:55:47PM +0200, Francesco Poli wrote: "if the GPL is not-quite-free, but it's considered free anyway only because it's grandfathered by DFSG#10, why cannot the be grandfathered as well?" Except, it is free. People have been "not comfortable" wi

Re: DFSG#10 [was: Re: Draft Debian-legal summary of the LGPL]

2004-05-21 Thread Raul Miller
On Fri, May 21, 2004 at 10:55:47PM +0200, Francesco Poli wrote: > "if the GPL is not-quite-free, but it's considered free anyway only > because it's grandfathered by DFSG#10, why cannot the > be grandfathered as well?" Except, it is free. People have been "not comfortable" with it for ages. Mos

Re: DFSG#10 [was: Re: Draft Debian-legal summary of the LGPL]

2004-05-21 Thread Francesco Poli
On Wed, 19 May 2004 09:59:55 +0200 Andreas Barth wrote: > * Francesco Poli ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [040519 00:25]: > > I'm not quite happy with DFSG#10: [...] > If it's not a bug, then don't fix it. We have enough problems with > unnecessary changes to the SC, so please leave DFSG#10 alone. But I fee

Re: DFSG#10 [was: Re: Draft Debian-legal summary of the LGPL]

2004-05-21 Thread Don Armstrong
On Fri, 21 May 2004, Lewis Jardine wrote: > In my opinion, both GPL 2c and Reiser's 'Anti-Plagiarism License' are > merely different distances down the same slippery slope; if forcing > derived works to have one line of credits is OK, why not ten? A few of us[1] aren't particularly happy with GP

Re: DFSG#10 [was: Re: Draft Debian-legal summary of the LGPL]

2004-05-21 Thread Lewis Jardine
Andrew Suffield wrote: On Wed, May 19, 2004 at 07:29:10PM +0100, Lewis Jardine wrote: "Copyright FSF, Inc; available under the GPL with no warranty, 'show license' for details", only when stdout is a tty, and a configuration option that will eliminate it completely. Is that really so bad? "A

Re: IBM documentation license

2004-05-21 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Thu, May 20, 2004 at 07:21:56PM +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote: > I have problems interpreting the following copyright statement which > covers the documenting of the ICU library from IBM (which itself is > free). IMHO it is non-free, however it is full of juristical english and > may be acceptable f

Re: DFSG#10 [was: Re: Draft Debian-legal summary of the LGPL]

2004-05-21 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Wed, May 19, 2004 at 07:29:10PM +0100, Lewis Jardine wrote: > >"Copyright FSF, Inc; available under the GPL with no warranty, 'show > >license' for details", only when stdout is a tty, and a configuration > >option that will eliminate it completely. Is that really so bad? > > > > "Alexander Zar

Bug#250230: BSD link on Social Contract page goes to wrong BSD license

2004-05-21 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
Package: www.debian.org Severity: normal -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The link to the BSD license under DFSG 10 goes to the revised BSD license. The DFSG written before the revised license; it should go to the original one with the advertising clause (unfortunately). - -- Syste