Re: Fwd: figlet license change from Artistic to Clarified Artistic or Artistic 2.0?

2004-11-03 Thread Francesco Poli
On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 21:33:51 -0500 Glenn Maynard wrote: > It seems that this license is actually doing two fundamentally > distinct things: granting a license to people to do stuff, and making > promises from the distributor/licensor. I think this combination is > what makes it so confusing: [...]

Re: Fwd: figlet license change from Artistic to Clarified Artistic or Artistic 2.0?

2004-11-03 Thread Adam McKenna
On Wed, Nov 03, 2004 at 03:26:54PM -0500, John Cowan wrote: > The FSF is well familiar with this. It's one of the many reasons (or excuses) > why Daniel Bernstein refuses to release his software under a free license, > since he says that free licenses claim to grant more rights than are actually >

Re: Fwd: figlet license change from Artistic to Clarified Artistic or Artistic 2.0?

2004-11-03 Thread Adam McKenna
On Wed, Nov 03, 2004 at 10:01:59AM -0500, John Cowan wrote: > The GPL isn't a contract, everyone agrees on that. So how can the > licensor be bound by it? If EvilCo buys the copyright of Alice's > GPLed Hummity software, they can announce "No more GPL on Hummity" and then > sue, say, Bob, who has

Re: Fwd: figlet license change from Artistic to Clarified Artistic or Artistic 2.0?

2004-11-03 Thread John Cowan
Glenn Maynard scripsit: > He was given permission to do so, and nothing in that permission > included a condition that the permission may be revoked at will. The whole definition of "bare license" means a license that is unsupported by consideration (i.e. not a contract): A bare license

Re: Fwd: figlet license change from Artistic to Clarified Artistic or Artistic 2.0?

2004-11-03 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Wed, Nov 03, 2004 at 10:01:59AM -0500, John Cowan wrote: > Sorry, I don't follow this. How is enforcement involved here? The example you gave showed a case where you've been promised something and not given it, and you can't sue to get it. The copyright license case is different, since there'

Re: Fwd: figlet license change from Artistic to Clarified Artistic or Artistic 2.0?

2004-11-03 Thread John Cowan
Glenn Maynard scripsit: > You were previously talking about "contradicting the AFL", though. Are > there actually any cases of this, or is it a practically null set? Well, I can invent really stoopid licenses that do it, like this: Alice licenses Yoyo under the AFL; Bob adds his changes, and lic

Re: GPL and command-line libraries

2004-11-03 Thread Frank Küster
Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > On Tue, Nov 02, 2004 at 09:53:21PM +0100, Wesley W. Terpstra wrote: >> 4. Writing to debian-legal and asking for advice. > > Now that's a good idea. Why did you do that on debian-devel instead? s/instead/, too/ Regards, Frank -- Frank Küster Inst.

Re: GPL and command-line libraries

2004-11-03 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Nov 02, 2004 at 09:53:21PM +0100, Wesley W. Terpstra wrote: > 4. Writing to debian-legal and asking for advice. Now that's a good idea. Why did you do that on debian-devel instead? -- EARTH smog | bricks AIR -- mud -- FIRE soda water | tequila WATER -- wi

Re: GPL and command-line libraries

2004-11-03 Thread Måns Rullgård
Jonathan ILIAS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Måns Rullgård wrote: >> It's all about causality. Consider two scenarios, both involving >> three programs, A, B and C. >> Scenario 1: >> 1. A is written. >> 2. B written, and makes use of A. You argue that B is a derivative >> work of A. >>

Re: GPL and command-line libraries

2004-11-03 Thread Jonathan ILIAS
Måns Rullgård wrote: It's all about causality. Consider two scenarios, both involving three programs, A, B and C. Scenario 1: 1. A is written. 2. B written, and makes use of A. You argue that B is a derivative work of A. 3. C is written, and is compatible with A. B is clearly not a