Re: LCC and blobs

2005-01-01 Thread Brian Thomas Sniffen
Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Henning Makholm wrote: Scripsit Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] That would, however, cover firmware and wind up sending X to contrib. So maybe: ... iff it is stored on the local machine's file system. That would be my *intuitive* understanding

Re: LCC and blobs

2005-01-01 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Thu, Dec 30, 2004 at 03:09:52PM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote: Hamish Moffatt dijo [Tue, Dec 28, 2004 at 04:26:26PM +1100]: Yet the ICQ client is not useful without a component which is not in Debian and in fact is not freely available. If the emulators were extended to be able to fetch

Re: Using debian extended xterminal (dext) as name for a project.

2005-01-01 Thread Decklin Foster
Brian Thomas Sniffen writes: I'm not sure that makes a difference. The mark Debian is a trademark of SPI. You'd like your software to be Free, so why not avoid the trademarked name? Not to put too fine a point on it or anything but... Package: dash Description: The Debian Almquist Shell

Re: LCC and blobs

2005-01-01 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Henning Makholm wrote: Scripsit Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] That would, however, cover firmware and wind up sending X to contrib. So maybe: ... iff it is stored on the local machine's file system. That would be my *intuitive*

Re: LCC and blobs

2005-01-01 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Thu, Dec 30, 2004 at 03:09:52PM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote: The blobs for the in-kernel drivers are not to be executed by the host CPU itself, neither is the non-free ICQ, MSN or Yahoo servers (although Gaim can be seen useful by itself as it works with IRC and Jabber... Well, brain, please

Mozilla and Trademarks

2005-01-01 Thread Gervase Markham
The recent thread about Mozilla and trademarks on debian-legal has been drawn to my attention. For those who don't know me, I'm Gerv, and I'm currently the first point of contact for trademark and copyright licensing issues at Mozilla. I have to say that Alex's original summary of our

Re: Mozilla and Trademarks

2005-01-01 Thread Alexander Sack
Hi Gerv, I wish you a happy new year. I was just composing a mail that would get you involved in this discussion, but apparently you came on your own ;). Fine. In addition I added Eric (the firefox maintainer) to CC since he is not subscribed to -legal. Gervase Markham wrote: I have to

Re: Mozilla and Trademarks

2005-01-01 Thread Gervase Markham
Alexander Sack wrote: I suggest that we make a standard policy that works for all and not for debian only. Otherwise, I feel that there are problems with dfsg, since we cannot grant the same rights to our users, that you granted us. But, here I might be wrong and maybe others want to elaborate

And at night, the flaming foxes come...

2005-01-01 Thread Joel Aelwyn
On Fri, Dec 31, 2004 at 10:20:26PM -0500, Nathanael Nerode wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, let's say I rename the package to 'somebird' and want to produce a good package for debian. Should I use a patched orig.tar.gz or is it ok to distribute the source as provided by upstream (of

Re: Mozilla and Trademarks

2005-01-01 Thread Joel Aelwyn
I'm going to reply, in some sense, to Gervase Markham's message, but it is in more of a general vein, rather than a point by point discussion. Still my thoughts on the same basic topics, though. While I appreciate Mr. Markham's efforts, and in fact I don't disagree with what I believe are his

Re: LCC and blobs

2005-01-01 Thread Josh Triplett
Anthony DeRobertis wrote: The social contract says ...but we will never make the system depend on an item of non-free software. not but we will never make the system depend on an item of non-free software /which we must distribute/. In order to allow the vast majority of hardware which

Re: Mozilla and Trademarks

2005-01-01 Thread Gervase Markham
Joel Aelwyn wrote: First, having such a trademark license establishes the Mozilla project as an arbiter of package quality for a Debian package. Indeed. With all the caveats that you state, then yes, when it comes down to it, it does. It has to, in order for us to claim that we're

Re: LCC and blobs

2005-01-01 Thread Raul Miller
On Sat, Jan 01, 2005 at 11:33:21AM -0800, Josh Triplett wrote: Please suggest any case which you don't think this criteria adequately covers. The bios. Unless, we decide that the bios we put in non-free isn't the bios we need to boot the machine. -- Raul

Re: Mozilla and Trademarks

2005-01-01 Thread Raul Miller
On Sat, Jan 01, 2005 at 07:49:15PM +, Gervase Markham wrote: Again, a fair point. Although the impact of this event is arguably less than the same issue with a code licence. After all, if the code licensor (e.g. UWash) goes bad on you, that's the end of the package. Only for non-free

Re: LCC and blobs

2005-01-01 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Raul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sat, Jan 01, 2005 at 11:33:21AM -0800, Josh Triplett wrote: Please suggest any case which you don't think this criteria adequately covers. The bios. Unless, we decide that the bios we put in non-free isn't the bios we need to boot the machine. On

Re: Mozilla and Trademarks

2005-01-01 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Gervase Markham [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is DFSG 8 actually a problem here? The rights attached to the program must not depend on the program's being part of a Debian system. If the program is extracted from Debian and used or distributed without Debian but otherwise within the terms of

Re: LCC and blobs

2005-01-01 Thread Raul Miller
On Fri, Dec 31, 2004 at 05:02:15PM -0500, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: The social contract says ...but we will never make the system depend on an item of non-free software. not but we will never make the system depend on an item of non-free software /which we must distribute/. We don't make the