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Re: RES: What makes software copyrightable anyway?

2005-05-18 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 5/17/05, Raul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyways, I don't really care whether or not you can find a conflict between some perhaps irrelevant text and the definition you've asserted -- I want to see some citation that leads me to believe that the distinction you've asserted is correct.

Re: RES: What makes software copyrightable anyway?

2005-05-18 Thread Raul Miller
On 5/17/05, Raul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyways, I don't really care whether or not you can find a conflict between some perhaps irrelevant text and the definition you've asserted -- I want to see some citation that leads me to believe that the distinction you've asserted is

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Do not package WASTE! UNAUTHORIZED SOFTWARE [Was: Re: Questions about waste licence and code.]

2005-05-18 Thread Mirco Bauer
On Fri, 2005-05-13 at 14:20 +0200, Romain Beauxis wrote: Hi all! I'm on the way of making a debian package for Waste, and I would have the folowing two questions about your software: Does the licence really reflect GPL? This arise because of this:

Re: RES: What makes software copyrightable anyway?

2005-05-18 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 5/18/05, Michael K. Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, I already corrected you on that one. I very much doubt that you've even read the decision, and you certainly have made no attempt to substantiate your claim about the reasoning it contains. I don't know why I even bother at this

Re: [WASTE-dev-public] Do not package WASTE! UNAUTHORIZED SOFTWARE [Was: Re: Questions about waste licence and code.]

2005-05-18 Thread Charles Iliya Krempeaux
Hello, (Sorry for just intejecting into the discussion like this, but) >From what I understand of the history of WASTE. At one time, NullSoft did infact release WASTE under the GPL. However, AOL (NullSoft's parent company) didn't like this, and that message on NullSoft's website is because of

Re: [WASTE-dev-public] Do not package WASTE! UNAUTHORIZED SOFTWARE [Was: Re: Questions about waste licence and code.]

2005-05-18 Thread Paul Perpich
This topic has been beat to death and is the cause for most of the devs bailing throughout the life of the project (legal concerns). There are a couple old articles on /. that should cover all the arguments (in the comments)...but I'm sure you'll find them all over. here's one:

Re: [WASTE-dev-public] Do not package WASTE! UNAUTHORIZED SOFTWARE [Was: Re: Questions about waste licence and code.]

2005-05-18 Thread Charles Iliya Krempeaux
Hello, Yes, you are correct. I am assuming that. As far as I can tell, even if AOL didn't approve it, NullSoft, being the owners of the code, are allowed and able to release the code under whatever license they want to release it under. (Whether they'll get in trouble or not from AOL, for doing

Re: [WASTE-dev-public] Do not package WASTE! UNAUTHORIZED SOFTWARE [Was: Re: Questions about waste licence and code.]

2005-05-18 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Charles Iliya Krempeaux] It seem to me that they got in trouble for doing so. And then tried to take things back. But the GPL doesn't allow for that. It seems to me that this is another of those things everyone takes for a postulate just because the FSF said so. Rather like the assumption

Re: RES: What makes software copyrightable anyway?

2005-05-18 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
Raul Miller wrote: Are you claiming that we have a license to distribute the work based on the program Quagga which also contains and uses openssl? In source code form, yes, we do under sections 1 and 2 of the GPL. The the source code for all modules it contains is part of section 3, which

Re: RES: What makes software copyrightable anyway?

2005-05-18 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 5/18/05, Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Raul Miller wrote: Are you claiming that we have a license to distribute the work based on the program Quagga which also contains and uses openssl? uses is utterly irrelevant anyway, and contains isn't the case when we're talking

Re: RES: What makes software copyrightable anyway?

2005-05-18 Thread Raul Miller
As usual, I don't know what your point is. If I read you right, you're claiming that I mis-read my own question -- that I really wasn't asking for clarifcation on why you asserted that the GPL is not a license. If I read you right, you think that my citation of this case involving colorization

Re: RES: What makes software copyrightable anyway?

2005-05-18 Thread Raul Miller
On 5/18/05, Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In source code form, yes, we do under sections 1 and 2 of the GPL. The the source code for all modules it contains is part of section 3, which doesn't matter when we're distributing source. If distribute meant distribute in the form of

Re: [WASTE-dev-public] Do not package WASTE! UNAUTHORIZED SOFTWARE [Was: Re: Questions about waste licence and code.]

2005-05-18 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
Peter Samuelson wrote: I know at least one developer on a prominent open source project who believes otherwise, and claims to be prepared to revoke their license to her code, if they do certain things to piss her off. Presumably this is grounded on the basis of her having received no

Re: [WASTE-dev-public] Do not package WASTE! UNAUTHORIZED SOFTWARE [Was: Re: Questions about waste licence and code.]

2005-05-18 Thread Raul Miller
On 5/18/05, Roberto C. Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is completely not possible. Once you offer (and someone accepts) code under the terms of the GPL, they are for evermore entitled to use *that* code under the GPL. There are some exceptions to this. For example, if you're not the

Re: RES: What makes software copyrightable anyway?

2005-05-18 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
Raul Miller wrote: If distribute meant distribute in the form of debian packages as defined by the semantics of dpkg as opposed to distribute whatever the mechanism, we'd be golden. As long as we don't distribute GPL'd code linked with OpenSSL in object code or executable form, but only as

Re: RES: What makes software copyrightable anyway?

2005-05-18 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 5/18/05, Raul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As usual, I don't know what your point is. If I read you right, you're claiming that I mis-read my own question -- that I really wasn't asking for clarifcation on why you asserted that the GPL is not a license. OK, let's clarify that. There

Re: RES: What makes software copyrightable anyway?

2005-05-18 Thread Raul Miller
On 5/18/05, Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Raul Miller wrote: If distribute meant distribute in the form of debian packages as defined by the semantics of dpkg as opposed to distribute whatever the mechanism, we'd be golden. As long as we don't distribute GPL'd code linked

Re: [WASTE-dev-public] Do not package WASTE! UNAUTHORIZED SOFTWARE [Was: Re: Questions about waste licence and code.]

2005-05-18 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 5/18/05, Peter Samuelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] I know at least one developer on a prominent open source project who believes otherwise, and claims to be prepared to revoke their license to her code, if they do certain things to piss her off. Presumably this is grounded on the

Re: [WASTE-dev-public] Do not package WASTE! UNAUTHORIZED SOFTWARE [Was: Re: Questions about waste licence and code.]

2005-05-18 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 5/18/05, Roberto C. Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter Samuelson wrote: [snip] Yes, I'm aware that if it's possible to revoke the GPL, it fails the Tentacles of Evil test, and GPL software would be completely unsuitable for any serious deployment. Note, however, that but it *can't*

Re: RES: What makes software copyrightable anyway?

2005-05-18 Thread Raul Miller
On 5/18/05, Michael K. Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, let's clarify that. There is a particular legal use of the word license, as in the phrase scope of the license, which refers specifically to an individual provision in a contract that says what rights the copyright holder (or, in