Re: Dissident test (was re: CDDL)

2005-09-11 Thread Sven Luther
On Sat, Sep 10, 2005 at 08:38:19PM -0400, Catatonic Porpoise wrote: Marco d'Itri wrote: This might fail the Dissident test (and thus discriminate against Which is not part of the DFSG, so it does not matter. The Dissident test is a test for DFSG #5, so it does matter. See:

Re: CDDL, OpenSolaris, Choice-of-venue and the star package ...

2005-09-11 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, Sep 10, 2005 at 05:54:34PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: On Sep 09, George Danchev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Debian has always been full of software licensed that way ;-) Now you want (unintentially) to leave possible holes thru new 'a-la sco insane cases' to enter the scene... all

Re: CDDL

2005-09-11 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Thu, Sep 08, 2005 at 07:28:46PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: [License follows as inline MIME foo] html2text is a piece of crap. At the same time, I'd like to experiment with an idea I've been toying with for a slightly more (informally) directed approach to license analysis, that should

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Re: Dissident test

2005-09-11 Thread Michael Poole
Sven Luther writes: On Sat, Sep 10, 2005 at 08:38:19PM -0400, Catatonic Porpoise wrote: Marco d'Itri wrote: This might fail the Dissident test (and thus discriminate against Which is not part of the DFSG, so it does not matter. The Dissident test is a test for DFSG #5, so it

Re: CDDL, OpenSolaris, Choice-of-venue and the star package ...

2005-09-11 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco d'Itri) So finally we are up to the good old every restriction is a discrimination argument. Even if in the last two years it has become popular among some debian-legal@ contributors while the rest of the project was not looking, I believe that it is based on

Re: Dissident test

2005-09-11 Thread Benj. Mako Hill
quote who=Michael Poole date=Sun, Sep 11, 2005 at 08:55:31AM -0400 Sven Luther writes: On Sat, Sep 10, 2005 at 08:38:19PM -0400, Catatonic Porpoise wrote: Marco d'Itri wrote: This might fail the Dissident test (and thus discriminate against Which is not part of the DFSG, so

Re: CDDL, OpenSolaris, Choice-of-venue and the star package ...

2005-09-11 Thread Sven Luther
On Sun, Sep 11, 2005 at 04:23:42PM +0200, Henning Makholm wrote: Scripsit [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco d'Itri) So finally we are up to the good old every restriction is a discrimination argument. Even if in the last two years it has become popular among some debian-legal@ contributors while

Re: Dissident test

2005-09-11 Thread Sven Luther
On Sun, Sep 11, 2005 at 11:40:41AM -0400, Benj. Mako Hill wrote: You seem to be making a call for interpreting the DFSG literally. I think this is impossible. We should stay as close to the spirit of the DFSG and we should rely on the text as our best clue. However, things will *always* come

Re: GPL, yet again. (The kernel is a lot like a shared library)

2005-09-11 Thread Yorick Cool
On Fri, Sep 09, 2005 at 02:32:13PM -0700, Michael K. Edwards wrote: Michael On 9/9/05, Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael I am acutely disinterested in that debate because it's long and Michael boring, but there's a lot of law professors who like it and think that Michael the

Re: UMORIA licensing review

2005-09-11 Thread Ben Asselstine
UMORIA 5.4, however, was released after the copyright law change. Anyway, it contains additional copyright notices (Christopher J. Stuart, Joseph Hall, etc.). They have not relicensed their work. So it appears that UMORIA 5.4 is not yet free software. Joseph Hall has released his portions

Re: CDDL, OpenSolaris, Choice-of-venue and the star package ...

2005-09-11 Thread Francesco Poli
On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 16:23:42 +0200 Henning Makholm wrote: [...] For what it's worth, I do not believe that DFSG #5 is a sensible reason to consider choice-of-venue clauses non-free. The sensible reason to consider choice-of-venue clauses non-free is the following general principle: A

Re: CDDL

2005-09-11 Thread Joe Smith
It doesn't seem at all reasonable to me. It could harm those who have an agreement to offer support as an agent of an upstream non-initial developer (like Epson service centre or whatever), and maybe otherwise. Why should this licence be allowed to restrict business relationships? That is

Re: CDDL, OpenSolaris, Choice-of-venue and the star package ...

2005-09-11 Thread Matthew Garrett
Francesco Poli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, but it doesn't work that way, AFAICT. The DFSG are guidelines to determine whether a *right-holder* gives enough permissions to *licensees*, not whether *Debian* gives enough permissions to *right-holders*. That doesn't appear to be part of the

Re: Dissident test

2005-09-11 Thread Matthew Garrett
Michael Poole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DFSG#5 is very plain and very broad: it prohibits discrimination against *any* person or group. If you think it should be narrowed, propose an amendment to the SC. The GPL plainly discriminates against people who live in areas where software patents are

Re: Dissident test

2005-09-11 Thread Michael Poole
Matthew Garrett writes: Michael Poole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DFSG#5 is very plain and very broad: it prohibits discrimination against *any* person or group. If you think it should be narrowed, propose an amendment to the SC. The GPL plainly discriminates against people who live in areas