Re: Linuxsampler license

2005-09-17 Thread Arnoud Engelfriet
Lewis Jardine wrote: I believe LGPL 2a (The modified work must itself be a software library), and 2d (...you must make a good faith effort to ensure that, in the event an application does not supply such function or table, the facility still operates...) are 'further restrictions' with

To MPL or not.

2005-09-17 Thread Damyan Ivanov
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I've packaged FlameRobin - wx GUI for manipulating Firebird databases. Upstream: www.flamerobin.org The upstream source is licensed under Initial Developer Public License 1.0. There is also an external library, which source is included in

Re: Linuxsampler license

2005-09-17 Thread Harri Järvi
On Thu, Sep 15, 2005 at 10:50:12 +0200, Sven Luther wrote: That is indeed non-free and fails DFSG #6, the package cannot be in main, but could be in non-free maybe. It has come to my attention that released Linuxsampler versions up to the latest release 0.3.3 are licensed purely under the GPL.

Re: CDDL, OpenSolaris, Choice-of-venue and the star package ...

2005-09-17 Thread Marco d'Itri
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is a license that requires micropayments in exchange for distribution rights free? If not, why is a cost measured in terms of legal risk imposed by the license more free than one measured in hundredths of a cent? Because it's not obviously a cost. I have already

Re: CDDL, OpenSolaris, Choice-of-venue and the star package ...

2005-09-17 Thread Marco d'Itri
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Basically, the clincher for me is that our mirrors can't simply carry the software we distribute without coming under some fair degree of risk due to this issue. This would not be enforceable anyway, at least in sane jurisdictions. -- ciao, Marco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE,

Re: To MPL or not.

2005-09-17 Thread MJ Ray
Damyan Ivanov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IDPL 1.0 is MPL-derivate. http://flamerobin.sourceforge.net/license.html http://www.mozilla.org/MPL/MPL-1.0.txt [...] My question is: Will FlameRobin be accepted in main? Only ftpmasters can say for sure. I think this is a practical problem for

Re: CDDL

2005-09-17 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Thu, Sep 15, 2005 at 11:01:53PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: I determine whether a point is a standard response by this very simple metric: If I personally am aware of this point occurring in the context of two or more distinct licenses, it's a standard response. Being applicable in

Re: CDDL, OpenSolaris, Choice-of-venue and the star package ...

2005-09-17 Thread Michael Poole
Marco d'Itri writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Basically, the clincher for me is that our mirrors can't simply carry the software we distribute without coming under some fair degree of risk due to this issue. This would not be enforceable anyway, at least in sane jurisdictions. Why would it

Re: CDDL, OpenSolaris, Choice-of-venue and the star package ...

2005-09-17 Thread Michael Poole
Marco d'Itri writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is a license that requires micropayments in exchange for distribution rights free? If not, why is a cost measured in terms of legal risk imposed by the license more free than one measured in hundredths of a cent? Because it's not obviously a cost.

Re: CDDL, OpenSolaris, Choice-of-venue and the star package ...

2005-09-17 Thread Matthew Garrett
Michael Poole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whether the lawsuit is frivolous or not is totally irrelevant. What is relevant is that the user is required to give up a legal protection he normally has -- for no better reason than the convenience of the copyright holder to sue users. The cost is

Re: CDDL, OpenSolaris, Choice-of-venue and the star package ...

2005-09-17 Thread Michael Poole
Matthew Garrett writes: Michael Poole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whether the lawsuit is frivolous or not is totally irrelevant. What is relevant is that the user is required to give up a legal protection he normally has -- for no better reason than the convenience of the copyright holder to

Re: CDDL, OpenSolaris, Choice-of-venue and the star package ...

2005-09-17 Thread Matthew Garrett
Michael Poole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matthew Garrett writes: We've seen frivolous suits against software alleging patent infringement. Since the only way we can protect our users from these is to stop distributing software, should we do so? I do not propose we do anything to stop

Re: CDDL, OpenSolaris, Choice-of-venue and the star package ...

2005-09-17 Thread Michael Poole
Matthew Garrett writes: Michael Poole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matthew Garrett writes: We've seen frivolous suits against software alleging patent infringement. Since the only way we can protect our users from these is to stop distributing software, should we do so? I do not propose we do

Re: CDDL, OpenSolaris, Choice-of-venue and the star package ...

2005-09-17 Thread Matthew Garrett
Michael Poole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matthew Garrett writes: But downloading a piece of software from Debian opens me up to the possibility of frivolous lawsuits from the copyright holder, something that did not occur before. How is that not a cost? Why did it not exist before? Your

Re: CDDL, OpenSolaris, Choice-of-venue and the star package ...

2005-09-17 Thread Marco d'Itri
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Basically, the clincher for me is that our mirrors can't simply carry the software we distribute without coming under some fair degree of risk due to this issue. This would not be enforceable anyway, at least in sane jurisdictions. Why would it not be enforceable? In

Re: CDDL, OpenSolaris, Choice-of-venue and the star package ...

2005-09-17 Thread Marco d'Itri
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do you distinguish a requirement that the user abide by some remote court's process from a requirement that the user pet a cat, volunteer for some personally distasteful organization, etc? Are those DFSG-free requirements? At least, these are obvious limitation on

Re: CDDL, OpenSolaris, Choice-of-venue and the star package ...

2005-09-17 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Matthew Garrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Exactly. It's not a cost because exactly the same thing could happen anyway. The same is true of choice of venue clauses - the bringer of the suit could claim that their local venue had jurisdiction over me, even if this isn't actually the case. The

Re: CDDL, OpenSolaris, Choice-of-venue and the star package ...

2005-09-17 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Sat, Sep 17, 2005 at 07:31:39PM +0200, Henning Makholm wrote: Scripsit Matthew Garrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Exactly. It's not a cost because exactly the same thing could happen anyway. The same is true of choice of venue clauses - the bringer of the suit could claim that their local venue

Re: CDDL, OpenSolaris, Choice-of-venue and the star package ...

2005-09-17 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Matthew Garrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sat, Sep 17, 2005 at 07:31:39PM +0200, Henning Makholm wrote: The difference is that if you have accepted a choice-of-venue license, the sociopath can present his local venue with proof that it has jurisdisction. That makes a difference, however

Re: CDDL, OpenSolaris, Choice-of-venue and the star package ...

2005-09-17 Thread Michael Poole
Marco d'Itri writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Basically, the clincher for me is that our mirrors can't simply carry the software we distribute without coming under some fair degree of risk due to this issue. This would not be enforceable anyway, at least in sane jurisdictions. Why would it

Re: CDDL, OpenSolaris, Choice-of-venue and the star package ...

2005-09-17 Thread Michael Poole
Marco d'Itri writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do you distinguish a requirement that the user abide by some remote court's process from a requirement that the user pet a cat, volunteer for some personally distasteful organization, etc? Are those DFSG-free requirements? At least, these are

Re: CDDL, OpenSolaris, Choice-of-venue and the star package ...

2005-09-17 Thread Jennifer Brown
I am new to this list, I arrived here by being interested in the Debian Women Project, so please forgive me if I am jumping in where my opinion is not wanted and if I am too long winded. I have been trying to follow the recent conversation regarding choice of venue (aka forum selection

Re: To MPL or not.

2005-09-17 Thread George Danchev
On Saturday 17 September 2005 13:45, MJ Ray wrote: Damyan Ivanov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IDPL 1.0 is MPL-derivate. http://flamerobin.sourceforge.net/license.html http://www.mozilla.org/MPL/MPL-1.0.txt I think MPL is doomed. Nothing to comment about it. My question is: Will FlameRobin

Re: Pre-ITP - LARN and Noah Morgan

2005-09-17 Thread Alex Perry
Back in August, I wrote: All responses appreciated; they confirmed my suspicions. I'll continue to try to locate an irrevocable license or the copyright holders. I have been unable to contact Don Kneller so far, so I'm currently expecting to backport recent patches onto Noah's upstream version.