Re: CC's responses to v3draft comments

2006-10-04 Thread MJ Ray
Markus Laire [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/27/06, MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since the CC licenses don't require distribution of the preferred form for making modification aka. source code, it is essential that downstream recipient can extract works for modification and

Re: Are source packages required to be DFSG-free? (was: Re: New bugs filed regarding non-free IETF RFC/I-Ds)

2006-10-04 Thread MJ Ray
Simon Josefsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=390664 (please read it first) Oh crap, it's a maintainer who thinks calling other people Nazis is a good idea in debian/changelog. Defamation or what? There's also some documentation-in-the-source-is-not-source

Re: Kernel Firmware issue: are GPLed sourceless firmwares legal to distribute ?

2006-10-04 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Oct 04, 2006 at 11:58:51AM +0300, Kalle Kivimaa wrote: [Restricting to -legal, feel free to widen the audience if neccessary] Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So, the RMs are making claims that those sourceless GPLed drivers don't cause any kind of distribution problem,

Kernel Firmware issue: are GPLed sourceless firmwares legal to distribute ?

2006-10-04 Thread Sven Luther
Hi debian-legal, ... It seems the firmware kernel issue has reached a deadpoint, as there is some widely different interpretation of the meaning of the GPL over sourceless code. For some background, the kernel/firmware wiki page includes both a proposed GR, the draft position statement by the

Re: Kernel Firmware issue: are GPLed sourceless firmwares legal to distribute ?

2006-10-04 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
[Restricting to -legal, feel free to widen the audience if neccessary] Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So, the RMs are making claims that those sourceless GPLed drivers don't cause any kind of distribution problem, while i strongly believe that the GPL clause saying that all the

Re: Kernel Firmware issue: are GPLed sourceless firmwares legal to distribute ?

2006-10-04 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The main point is that the actual reason for this mess is that those vendors provided these firmware blobs without thinking of the implication, and the upstream kernel folk took them in because it was more convenient to consider them as data (to the

Re: CC's responses to v3draft comments

2006-10-04 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2006-09-29 11:47:36, schrieb Henri Sivonen: If you get the source of e.g. Firefox or Gimp and modify the source and recompile for Windows, Windows will still run your own versions without you having to ask Microsoft to sign your binaries. Which M$ can change at any time! (The code is

Re: Kernel Firmware issue: are GPLed sourceless firmwares legal to distribute ?

2006-10-04 Thread Francesco Poli
On Wed, 4 Oct 2006 10:28:20 +0200 Sven Luther wrote: So, the RMs are making claims that those sourceless GPLed drivers don't cause any kind of distribution problem, while i strongly believe that the GPL clause saying that all the distribution rights under the GPL are lost if you cannot abide

Re: Kernel Firmware issue: are GPLed sourceless firmwares legal to distribute ?

2006-10-04 Thread Walter Landry
Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, the RMs are making claims that those sourceless GPLed drivers don't cause any kind of distribution problem, while i strongly believe that the GPL clause saying that all the distribution rights under the GPL are lost if you cannot abide by all points,

Re: New draft of GFDL and GSFDL

2006-10-04 Thread Joe Smith
Nathanael Nerode [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Time to see what we would need to change to make it DFSG-free. On a quick readthrough of the SFDL, it looks like this to me: * Unlike the GFDL, no Invariant Sections or Cover Texts. And they can't be added, so it

Re: Kernel Firmware issue: are GPLed sourceless firmwares legal to distribute ?

2006-10-04 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Oct 04, 2006 at 09:31:27PM +0200, Frank Küster wrote: Walter Landry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, the RMs are making claims that those sourceless GPLed drivers don't cause any kind of distribution problem, while i strongly believe that the GPL

Re: Kernel Firmware issue: are GPLed sourceless firmwares legal to distribute ?

2006-10-04 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Oct 04, 2006 at 09:31:27PM +0200, Frank Küster wrote: So the real question is whether we want to do that, whether in the particular cases there's in fact any doubt, etc. A quick survey based on the size of the firmware blobs suggests 1/3 of them may be register dumps, while 2/3 are most

Re: Kernel Firmware issue: are GPLed sourceless firmwares legal to distribute ?

2006-10-04 Thread Frank Küster
Walter Landry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, the RMs are making claims that those sourceless GPLed drivers don't cause any kind of distribution problem, while i strongly believe that the GPL clause saying that all the distribution rights under the GPL are