Re: Kernel Firmware issue: are GPLed sourceless firmwares legal to distribute ?

2006-10-17 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Anthony Towns writes: > On Tue, Oct 17, 2006 at 03:49:25PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: >> The answer to the question in the subject is simple: NO. > > Thankyou for your opinion. I note you seemed to neglect to mention that > you're not a lawyer. So, do you have anything to say about what Nath

Re: Kernel Firmware issue: are GPLed sourceless firmwares legal to distribute ?

2006-10-17 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Oct 18, 2006 at 08:06:19AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > On Tue, Oct 17, 2006 at 03:49:25PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > > The answer to the question in the subject is simple: NO. > > Thankyou for your opinion. I note you seemed to neglect to mention that > you're not a lawyer. Anthon

Re: License review request

2006-10-17 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Arnoud Engelfriet wrote: > Sean Kellogg wrote: >> Just a quick chirp from a d-l lurker with a JD that the above is a pretty >> common concept in consumer protection type laws and, as referenced, the >> UCC. > > Thanks for your input. > >> I did some focus group research for Microsoft a few years

Re: Kernel Firmware issue: are GPLed sourceless firmwares legal to distribute ?

2006-10-17 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 17 Oct 2006, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > So what? Distributing GPL works *with* sources is also not clear of > legal liability. Those liabilities occur in either case, so they're not particularly interesting to discuss. Doing something that is against the letter and spirit of a software l

Re: License review request

2006-10-17 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Arnoud Engelfriet wrote: > Andrew Donnellan wrote: >> Of course that doesn't mean it's not required, just that the evidence >> given was irrelevant. I've seen most places do it and lawyers >> recommending it and so on, and as it is a legal disclaimer I think it >> would be wise to use emphasised t

Re: conquer relicensing

2006-10-17 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Juan M. Mendez wrote: > On 10/9/06, Arnoud Engelfriet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Without a piece of paper with Adam's signature saying otherwise, >> the copyright remains with him. So Ed should ensure he does not >> change the copyright notice. > So, I have been investigating. > > It see

Re: conquer relicensing

2006-10-17 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Joe Smith wrote: > > "Juan M. Mendez" wrote in message > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> So, I have been investigating. >> >> It seems Adam Bryant developed a new version 5 of conquer: >> http://www.cs.bu.edu/ftp/fs/pub/adb/beta/ >> >> where all the files hold notices disallowing redistribution of t

Re: Yahoo! DomainKeys license

2006-10-17 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Magnus Holmgren wrote: > OK, another stab at this beast! > > I've been in contact with Mark Delany, the Yahoo! engineer that wrote the > draft and administrates the DomainKeys SourceForge project. HINAL though, > AFAIK. > > On Saturday 17 June 2006 19:41, Joe Smith took the opportunity to say:

Re: compatibility of bsd and gpl

2006-10-17 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Matthew Wala wrote: >> And people can copy&paste >> that code out of your project and reuse it elsewhere under >> the original (BSD) terms. > Doesn't section 2b say that projects reusing BSD code from a GPL'd > project have to be GPL'd? No. This is a matter of identifying the individual works ma

Re: conquer relicensing

2006-10-17 Thread Nathanael Nerode
The title of this thread made me think, "Gee, I'd love to conquer relicensing." I'm certainly not a relicensing master yet. :-) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm new dealing with licenses and I've been trying to catch up, however > I need advice. > > Edward M Barlow wrote "conquer",

Re: Creative Commons 3.0 Public draft -- news and questions

2006-10-17 Thread Nathanael Nerode
MJ Ray wrote: > and maybe some other bits too (CC3.0 is a long licence). The Scotland > one is far briefer, especially when viewed in context, and it has the > apparently crucial difference of including 'effect or intent'. I'm actually curious as to why this is apparently crucial; I haven't seen

Re: compatibility of bsd and gpl

2006-10-17 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Matthew Wala wrote: > The new BSD (meaning, without the forced-advertising clause) > and GPL licenses are considered compatible, but how are the > requirements of the BSD license satisfied when BSD licensed code is > included in GPL projects (eg, the Linux kernel)? (1) Include the copyright no

Re: Kernel Firmware issue: are GPLed sourceless firmwares legal to distribute ?

2006-10-17 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Anthony Towns wrote: > On Tue, Oct 17, 2006 at 03:49:25PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: >> The answer to the question in the subject is simple: NO. > > Thankyou for your opinion. I note you seemed to neglect to mention that > you're not a lawyer. Yes, I'm not a lawyer. Do not rely on anything

Re: CC's responses to v3draft comments

2006-10-17 Thread Nathanael Nerode
MJ Ray wrote: > How can anyone discuss decisions made by a secret process for secret > reasons in any useful way? If that decision is to be changed, it helps > to know how and why it was made, but we simply have almost no data on it. This is the part which is really frustrating about CC, actuall

Re: CC's responses to v3draft comments

2006-10-17 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Evan Prodromou wrote: > On Sun, 2006-24-09 at 12:06 -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: >> Worse, the PDF description of the parallel distribution amendment appears >> to describe an amendment which is less restrictive than necessary for >> Debian's purposes (see comment 11). (Proper parallel distribu

Re: License review request: LinuxMagic FSCL

2006-10-17 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Ryan Finnie wrote: > Walter, > > Thank you for your comments (everybody else too). Sorry for not > following up sooner; please see question below. > > On 9/27/06, Walter Landry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > Ryan Finnie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> asked for help wi

Re: License review request: LinuxMagic FSCL

2006-10-17 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Ryan Finnie wrote: > Greetings, > > I responded to an RFP[0] for packaging magic-smtpd[1], and need some > help on the legal side. I see 3 issues here: > > 1. The license[2], also included below, has not been reviewed by the > OSI, and is not used in any existing Debian package. The company >

Re: libbtctl: two questions regarding use of LGPL and GPL in source files

2006-10-17 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Øystein Gisnås wrote: > I've gone through license considerations of RFP-marked package > libbtctl lately, and have questions about two concerns: > > * 7 source files are have LGPL license in their headers, but link > against bluez-libs, which is licensed under the GPL. One such file > ishttp://cv

Re: Vicam driver appears to contain misappropriated code

2006-10-17 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Michael Poole wrote: > Nathanael Nerode writes: > >>> Do you have any evidence to indicate that these byte streams contain >>> any copyrightable or otherwise protected content? >> >> They look creative to me. I certainly couldn't write them independently, >> on >> my own. Under modern copyright

Re: Kernel Firmware issue: are GPLed sourceless firmwares legal to distribute ?

2006-10-17 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Tue, Oct 17, 2006 at 03:35:26PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: > On Wed, 18 Oct 2006, Anthony Towns wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 17, 2006 at 03:49:25PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > > > The answer to the question in the subject is simple: NO. > > > > Thankyou for your opinion. I note you seemed to ne

Re: public domain, take ?$B!g

2006-10-17 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Arnoud Engelfriet wrote: > Ben Finney wrote: >> Perhaps the statement should be granting the recipient "all rights >> otherwise reserved to the copyright holder". > > Maybe it's better to reformulate it as a non-assert instead of > a license. There's more than just the exclusive rights. > > To

Re: public domain, take ∞

2006-10-17 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Daniel Gimpelevich wrote: > Greetings! I'm fully aware that the opinions stated on this list have no > bearing on anything, but I would still like to ask whether anyone here > might have any ideas for improving the wording of the following license > header: > > #!bin/bash > # > # Let this be know

Re: Releasing a software implementation of a board game as Free Software

2006-10-17 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Ben Finney wrote: > "Dr. ERDI Gergo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> [Please CC replies to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Done. > >> I have no idea where I could get questions like this answered, so I >> thought Debian-Legal would be a good place. > > You should definitely seek experienced legal opi

Re: compatibility of bsd and gpl

2006-10-17 Thread Matthew Wala
And people can copy&paste that code out of your project and reuse it elsewhere under the original (BSD) terms. Doesn't section 2b say that projects reusing BSD code from a GPL'd project have to be GPL'd? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Con

Re: Kernel Firmware issue: are GPLed sourceless firmwares legal to distribute ?

2006-10-17 Thread Don Armstrong
On Wed, 18 Oct 2006, Anthony Towns wrote: > On Tue, Oct 17, 2006 at 03:49:25PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > > The answer to the question in the subject is simple: NO. > > Thankyou for your opinion. I note you seemed to neglect to mention > that you're not a lawyer. That should be abundantly a

Re: Kernel Firmware issue: are GPLed sourceless firmwares legal to distribute ?

2006-10-17 Thread Anthony Towns
On Tue, Oct 17, 2006 at 03:49:25PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > The answer to the question in the subject is simple: NO. Thankyou for your opinion. I note you seemed to neglect to mention that you're not a lawyer. Cheers, aj signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Why TPM+Parallel Distribution is non-free

2006-10-17 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Terry Hancock wrote: > I have been a Debian user for several years now, an occasional free > software developer, and a user of the Creative Commons By-SA license, so > I have been following the effort to make the CCPL3.0 comply with the > Debian Free Software Guidelines with some interest. I used

Re: Kernel Firmware issue: are GPLed sourceless firmwares legal to distribute ?

2006-10-17 Thread Sven Luther
On Tue, Oct 17, 2006 at 03:49:25PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > The answer to the question in the subject is simple: NO. > > This is a matter of copyright law. If we do not have permission to > distribute, it is illegal to distribute. GPL grants permission to > distribute *only* if we dist

Re: Kernel Firmware issue: are GPLed sourceless firmwares legal to distribute ?

2006-10-17 Thread Nathanael Nerode
The answer to the question in the subject is simple: NO. This is a matter of copyright law. If we do not have permission to distribute, it is illegal to distribute. GPL grants permission to distribute *only* if we distribute source. So, GPLed sourceless == NO PERMISSON. I will list the usua

Re: Why TPM+Parallel Distribution is non-free

2006-10-17 Thread MJ Ray
I spent far too long crafting a reply to this, then a pair of ISP/SMTP errors sent it to /dev/null - this is a rushed rewrite. If you are in a rush, points 17.1, 17.8, 17.13, 17.15 and 17.18 are most repeated and you can get the gist from them. Terry Hancock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote > MJ Ray wro

Re: Why TPM+Parallel Distribution is non-free

2006-10-17 Thread MJ Ray
Terry Hancock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [...] It's very frustrating to have to > repeat the same points over and over again, because some people don't > apparently read them before replying. Amen. > I can appreciate of course, that Debian legal folk, having discussed > this already, and hav

Re: Why TPM+Parallel Distribution is non-free

2006-10-17 Thread MJ Ray
Terry Hancock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Okay, fine. Let's consider the case in which TPM is "hard" to apply: > Then isn't it an effective barrier to further modification and > redistribution (i.e. non-free)? It's a practical problem, not necessarily something non-free. [...] > I stand by my o

Re: Non-free IETF RFC/I-Ds in source packages

2006-10-17 Thread Francesco Poli
On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 11:49:48 +0200 Simon Josefsson wrote: > Francesco Poli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...] > > I don't know whether I'll have enough time to do it personally. > > Let's do as follows: I see if I can modify the wiki page on Sunday; > > you look at the wiki page on Monday and, if i