Re: Using a CC-3.0-BY file as data file for a GPL program

2007-09-05 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 03 septembre 2007 à 12:19 -0700, Steve Langasek a écrit : > > If the program cannot work without the database, that makes it a derived > > work. > > Er, presumably the application can work with any database that's in the > right format? Yes, but if there is only one existing database in

Re: GPL2 vs. GPL3 issue in VDR plug-in packages

2007-09-05 Thread Tobi
Ben Finney wrote: > Yes. Without explicit grant from the copyright holder to the recipient > of a particular work, the default situation is "all rights reserved > (to the copyright holder)". > Ok. So the only way to settle this issue will be to contact all upstream authors and ask them to inclu

Re: GPL2 vs. GPL3 issue in VDR plug-in packages

2007-09-05 Thread Ben Finney
Tobi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > What about the GPL3 vs. GPL2 issue? If the main program is GPL3 and > the plug-ins are "GPL2 or any later", does this match? I think it > doesn't. Sure it does; that's the intent of the "or any later version" clause. As you describe it, all the works have been l

Re: Re: GPL V2 and GPLv3

2007-09-05 Thread Peter S Galbraith
>> Wow. I don't think I could disagree more. Loading the library >> presumably means we are going to invoke some of its code. So you are >> saying that an interpreter under any non-free license can use any GPL'ed >> library? > > That is not at all what he said. The test for whether work A is a >

Re: Using a CC-3.0-BY file as data file for a GPL program

2007-09-05 Thread Marco d'Itri
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Yes, but if there is only one existing database in this format, I don't >think that changes much. It would be pretty much like a program >requiring a GPL library to work properly, but that would dlopen() it at >startup. The criteria is still the "derived work" one. Not "a

Re: GPL2 vs. GPL3 issue in VDR plug-in packages

2007-09-05 Thread Marco d'Itri
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >This is a very common situation. Most people crating works of >authorship find copyright to be a huge hassle to even think about >(because it is). Those who do think about it will usually take >whatever appears to be the path of least resistance -- such as tossing >in a L

Re: GPL V2 and GPLv3

2007-09-05 Thread Michael Poole
Peter S Galbraith writes: >>> Wow. I don't think I could disagree more. Loading the library >>> presumably means we are going to invoke some of its code. So you are >>> saying that an interpreter under any non-free license can use any GPL'ed >>> library? >> >> That is not at all what he said. T

Re: GPL V2 and GPLv3

2007-09-05 Thread Jeff Licquia
Peter S Galbraith wrote: > Sure, the code is fine with older Emacs. We simply shouldn't install it > and set it up for GPL v3 versions of Emacs. *If* there is a violation (and I'm still not convinced), this isn't a solution, at least not for Debian. The GPL is all about distribution and modifica

Re: GPL V2 and GPLv3

2007-09-05 Thread Peter S Galbraith
> > If it explicitely calls the interface... > > ... that does not resolve the question, even for bytecompiled files. So why do need the freer LGPL versus the GPL for libraries? I guess we can do whatever we want so it doesn't matter. >>> In this case, there are older emacsen -- distributed und

Re: GPL V2 and GPLv3

2007-09-05 Thread Peter S Galbraith
I wrote: > > > If it explicitely calls the interface... > > > > ... that does not resolve the question, even for bytecompiled files. > > So why do need the freer LGPL versus the GPL for libraries? I guess we > can do whatever we want so it doesn't matter. If I follow the advice from the FSF's

Re: GPL V2 and GPLv3

2007-09-05 Thread Michael Poole
Peter S Galbraith writes: >> > If it explicitely calls the interface... >> >> ... that does not resolve the question, even for bytecompiled files. > > So why do need the freer LGPL versus the GPL for libraries? I guess we > can do whatever we want so it doesn't matter. When there is only one im

Re: GPL V2 and GPLv3

2007-09-05 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Michael Poole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Peter S Galbraith writes: > > >> > If it explicitely calls the interface... > >> > >> ... that does not resolve the question, even for bytecompiled files. > > > > So why do need the freer LGPL versus the GPL for libraries? I guess we > > can do whateve

Re: GPL V2 and GPLv3

2007-09-05 Thread Michael Poole
Peter S Galbraith writes: > So I'm fine using GPL-v2 code with GPL-v3 libraries as long as (1) > there's a GPL-v2 version of the libraries with the same interface, such > that (2) the GPL-v2 code does not need to be modified to run on the > GPL-v3 version of the libraries? That is my conclusion a

Re: GPL V2 and GPLv3

2007-09-05 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Michael Poole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Peter S Galbraith writes: > > > So I'm fine using GPL-v2 code with GPL-v3 libraries as long as (1) > > there's a GPL-v2 version of the libraries with the same interface, such > > that (2) the GPL-v2 code does not need to be modified to run on the > > GPL

Re: GPL2 vs. GPL3 issue in VDR plug-in packages

2007-09-05 Thread Tobi
Marco d'Itri wrote: > While explicit licensing terms in every source file are a good idea, > I think that Debian has always considered acceptable distributing a > copy of the license along with the code. > That's how we've handled this so far. Ben, Marco... thanks for discussing this! To draw

A use case of GPLv3 section 7b

2007-09-05 Thread Francesco Poli
Hi all, I've just found out a real case where section 7b of GNU GPL v3 is actually used to impose specific restrictions. PySoy[1] is a Python library for 3D game development. It is released under the terms of the GNU GPL v3. Its licensing page[2] states: | Under section 7 of the GPLv3 we require

Re: A use case of GPLv3 section 7b

2007-09-05 Thread Andrew Donnellan
On 9/6/07, Francesco Poli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Can logos be considered "reasonable legal notices" or "author > attributions"? > What do you think? A logo definitely isn't a legal notice, but it *could* be an author attribution (although to me it seems more a project attribution or even an

Re: Using a CC-3.0-BY file as data file for a GPL program

2007-09-05 Thread Shriramana Sharma
Francesco Poli wrote: Shriramana, which category does the database you need belong to? I do not understand which "category" you mean. It's a database of latitude/longitude/elevation data for places around the globe. See geonames.org. P.S.: I am a debian-legal subscriber, so please do not