Re: Encryption laws outside US

2007-11-06 Thread Paul Wise
On 11/6/07, travel kid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't know where to start so figured would start from here. I was wondering what the US laws where in shipping pre-installed debian servers to offices of the same company outside US, to Europe mainly. An explanation of why Debian doesn't

Re: GPL 3 and derivatives

2007-11-06 Thread Shriramana Sharma
Thanks to all those that replied. Apparently as has been pointed out the FSF is trying to catch the derivatives under the term of modification. Seriously, does the FSF expect everyone who would modify a GPL-ed work or create a derivative work to read and understand his countries copyright

Re: GPL 3 and derivatives

2007-11-06 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
On Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 10:01:18PM +0530, Shriramana Sharma wrote: Seriously, does the FSF expect everyone who would modify a GPL-ed work or create a derivative work to read and understand his countries copyright laws? Ignorance of law is usually no defense in a court of law. --

Re: The legality of cdrecord

2007-11-06 Thread Joerg Schilling
I talked to someone on IRC and looks like the only license issue concerns mkisofs. This links to both GPL and CDDL code and this is illegal. This is of course a lie: None of the programs in cdrtools has license problems. cdrecord and other programs are 100% CDDL. mkisofs is GPL but

Re: The legality of cdrecord

2007-11-06 Thread John Halton
On Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 08:38:39PM +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote: mkisofs is GPL but uses CDDL library code. This is intentionally allowed by the GPL as the GPL is a highly asymmetric license. The GPL forbids GPL code to appear inside non-GPL project, but it allows non-GPL code to appear in GPL

Re: The legality of cdrecord

2007-11-06 Thread Joerg Schilling
John Halton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 08:38:39PM +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote: mkisofs is GPL but uses CDDL library code. This is intentionally allowed by the GPL as the GPL is a highly asymmetric license. The GPL forbids GPL code to appear inside non-GPL project,

Re: The legality of cdrecord

2007-11-06 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 08:38:39PM +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote: I talked to someone on IRC and looks like the only license issue concerns mkisofs. This links to both GPL and CDDL code and this is illegal. This is of course a lie: None of the programs in cdrtools has license problems.

Re: The legality of cdrecord

2007-11-06 Thread Yuhong Bao
The CDDL-licensed code is not included in the GPL program; the CDDL only applies to the build scripts. Not anymore. Now almost all of the program is CDDL, except 2 libraries, one GPL, and one LGPL. mkisofs links to the GPL library, and that is the remaining problem. Yuhong Bao

Re: The legality of cdrecord

2007-11-06 Thread Ben Finney
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joerg Schilling) writes: The GPL explicitely allows to use code under other licenses from GPL code. Please point out exactly where the GPLv2 explicitly permits this. On the contrary, in section 2b, the GPLv2 explicitly requires redistribution under the terms of the GPLv2.

Re: GPL 3 and derivatives

2007-11-06 Thread John Halton
On Wed, Nov 07, 2007 at 09:20:14AM +1100, Ben Finney wrote: Shriramana Sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Seriously, does the FSF expect everyone who would modify a GPL-ed work or create a derivative work to read and understand his countries copyright laws? The FSF doesn't expect it. The

Re: GPL 3 and derivatives

2007-11-06 Thread Ben Finney
John Halton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The FSF isn't mysteriously imposing on people the obligation to comply with their own local copyright laws. That obligation exists already. This leads logically to discussions about legal systems that expect everyone to act within the law, yet are both

Re: GPL 3 and derivatives

2007-11-06 Thread John Halton
On Wed, Nov 07, 2007 at 05:45:17PM +1100, Ben Finney wrote: Welcome, John (I've not seen you post here before this week). It's great to see a qualified legal expert here among all we amateurs. Questions of interest to me and perhaps others on this list, that you can nevertheless choose not