Re: GPL applications using Python (OpenSSL issue?)

2011-03-07 Thread roucaries bastien
On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 7:48 PM, Ulrik Sverdrup wrote: > Can GPLv3+ applications written in Python exist in Debian main? The > applications in question do not use an openssl exception. > > Python uses OpenSSL so the moment the application starts, it is linking > against it too: > > $ objdump -p /us

GPL applications using Python (OpenSSL issue?)

2011-03-07 Thread Ulrik Sverdrup
Can GPLv3+ applications written in Python exist in Debian main? The applications in question do not use an openssl exception. Python uses OpenSSL so the moment the application starts, it is linking against it too: $ objdump -p /usr/bin/python2.6 | grep NEEDED NEEDED libpthread.so.

Re: The "Evil Cookie Producer" case

2011-03-07 Thread Bruno Lowagie
Op 7/03/2011 13:26, Simon McVittie schreef: In this particular situation I'd suggest making the extra term a non-binding request, something like: The author of this software requests that you retain the iText producer line in every PDF that is created or manipulated using iText. or ev

Re: The "Evil Cookie Producer" case

2011-03-07 Thread Simon McVittie
On Mon, 07 Mar 2011 at 11:04:11 +0100, Bruno Lowagie wrote: > This is what the end consumer wants, > and this is what 1T3XT wants, regardless of the opinion of any other > party in-between. I think there's an important distinction between "I believe that it's beneficial for everyone that this is d

Re: The "Evil Cookie Producer" case

2011-03-07 Thread PJ Weisberg
On 3/7/11, Andrew Ross wrote: > "The AGPL and the extra term ensure the consumer's RIGHT to know > that the PDF was produced by iText. Denying this right is IMO > exactly the abuse of Free Software the AGPL wants to avoid." "Exaggerating a bit" with the cookie metaphore, I see. ;-) Sure, maybe

Re: The "Evil Cookie Producer" case

2011-03-07 Thread Bruno Lowagie
Op 7/03/2011 11:12, Charles Plessy schreef: Le Mon, Mar 07, 2011 at 11:06:22AM +0100, Bruno Lowagie a écrit : Op 7/03/2011 11:02, Charles Plessy schreef: Regardless of the purpose and the intentions behind requiring to ‘retain the producer line in every PDF that is created or manipulated using

Re: The "Evil Cookie Producer" case

2011-03-07 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Mon, Mar 07, 2011 at 11:06:22AM +0100, Bruno Lowagie a écrit : > Op 7/03/2011 11:02, Charles Plessy schreef: > > > >Regardless of the purpose and the intentions behind requiring to ‘retain the > >producer line in every PDF that is created or manipulated using iText’, if > >this > >addition to t

Re: The "Evil Cookie Producer" case

2011-03-07 Thread MJ Ray
Andrew Ross wrote: > The full license can be found at http://itextpdf.com/terms-of-use/agpl.php [...] > I don't want to mis-represent what Bruno has said, so hopefully he'll > chime in and expand further if I get anything wrong here. I think the > following paragraph from Bruno sums up his viewpoin

Re: The "Evil Cookie Producer" case

2011-03-07 Thread Bruno Lowagie
Op 7/03/2011 11:02, Charles Plessy schreef: Regardless of the purpose and the intentions behind requiring to ‘retain the producer line in every PDF that is created or manipulated using iText’, if this addition to the AGPL does not fall under Section 7(b), this makes iText potentially incompatib

Re: The "Evil Cookie Producer" case

2011-03-07 Thread Bruno Lowagie
For some reason, my latest answers weren't sent to the list, but to individual people. Sorry for that. This is my latest response: Andrew Ross wrote: My reasoning goes that if I write some software which uses iText to produce a pdf, then if I use some other piece of software to modify that pdf

Re: The "Evil Cookie Producer" case

2011-03-07 Thread Charles Plessy
> > "In accordance with Section 7(b) of the GNU Affero General Public > License, you must retain the producer line in every PDF that is created > or manipulated using iText." Hello, in my understanding of section 7 of the AGPL, the supplemental terms are there to ensure compatibility with other

Re: The "Evil Cookie Producer" case

2011-03-07 Thread Andrew Ross
On 07/03/11 08:00, Bruno Lowagie wrote: > A library such as iText is already shipped with Debian, and different > other projects depend on it. Other projects aren't part of the > distribution, for instance because of their poor quality (e.g. the iText > Toolbox which was never meant as a real produ

Re: The "Evil Cookie Producer" case

2011-03-07 Thread Bruno Lowagie
Op 7/03/2011 2:17, MJ Ray schreef: Bruno Lowagie wrote: Please don't avoid the question: does the freedom to hide information prevail over the freedom to get information? You mean like you avoided the question: what is the actual case here? No problem. Let me describe the context. I've been pro