Re: Bug#570621: Parsing output = derivative work?

2011-03-08 Thread Mahyuddin Susanto
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 03/06/2011 11:51 PM, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le dimanche 06 mars 2011 à 12:04 +0100, W. Martin Borgert a écrit : >> (out of curiosity moved to debian-legal) >> >> On 2011-03-05 23:46, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: >>> gnetworktester seems to pars

Re: Bug#570621: Parsing output = derivative work?

2011-03-08 Thread Miriam Ruiz
2011/3/8 Mahyuddin Susanto : >> Parsing the output of a program doesn’t make a derivative work. However, >> if this parsing is vital for the operation of the application and makes >> it useless without that program, what is the difference with dynamic >> linking to a library? To a programmer, there

Re: Bug#570621: Parsing output = derivative work?

2011-03-08 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mardi 08 mars 2011 à 07:30 -0800, Ken Arromdee a écrit : > >> Parsing the output of a program doesn’t make a derivative work. However, > >> if this parsing is vital for the operation of the application and makes > >> it useless without that program, what is the difference with dynamic > >> link

Re: The "Evil Cookie Producer" case

2011-03-08 Thread Josselin Mouette
Hi, and thanks for the effort of providing the complete information. Le lundi 07 mars 2011 à 09:31 +, Andrew Ross a écrit : > The software itself is the current version of iText, which is licensed > under the AGPL with the following additional term: > > "In accordance with Section 7(b) of th

Re: The "Evil Cookie Producer" case

2011-03-08 Thread Bruno Lowagie
Op 8/03/2011 16:45, Josselin Mouette schreef: Hi, and thanks for the effort of providing the complete information. Le lundi 07 mars 2011 à 09:31 +, Andrew Ross a écrit : The software itself is the current version of iText, which is licensed under the AGPL with the following additional term:

Re: Bug#570621: Parsing output = derivative work?

2011-03-08 Thread Ken Arromdee
The distinction between a derivative work and a separate work is not based on technology but on functionality. Parsing the output of a program doesn’t make a derivative work. However, if this parsing is vital for the operation of the application and makes it useless without that program, what is

Re: Bug#570621: Parsing output = derivative work?

2011-03-08 Thread Walter Landry
Miriam Ruiz wrote: > In general, I wouldn't consider parsing the output of another > program to de a derivative work. In general, I do agree with Miriam that parsing the output of another program does not make a derivative work. But just to give an example of where it does happen, git is largely

Re: The "Evil Cookie Producer" case

2011-03-08 Thread Florian Weimer
* Andrew Ross: > "In accordance with Section 7(b) of the GNU Affero General Public > License, you must retain the producer line in every PDF that is created > or manipulated using iText." What is a "producer line"? Is this visible on the page, or is this some information in the PDF header? In a

Re: The "Evil Cookie Producer" case

2011-03-08 Thread Andrew Ross
On 08/03/11 18:17, Florian Weimer wrote: > * Andrew Ross: > >> "In accordance with Section 7(b) of the GNU Affero General Public >> License, you must retain the producer line in every PDF that is created >> or manipulated using iText." > > What is a "producer line"? Is this visible on the page,

Re: The "Evil Cookie Producer" case

2011-03-08 Thread Andrew Ross
On 08/03/11 15:53, Bruno Lowagie wrote: > Copy/paste from a previous answer. > > If company B is using iText, Company B is bound by the license. This > doesn't mean the producer line can't be changed; there are different > options to add extra data: > - They can add data to the existing producer l