Re: Bug#1029055: Debian Expat and SPDX MIT License Text

2023-01-18 Thread Richard Fontana
On Tue, Jan 17, 2023 at 2:06 AM Axel Beckert wrote: > > Hi, > > Soren Stoutner wrote: > > There appears to be some question of opinion > > Not opinion. Just the point of what the meaning of _text colors_ > *rollingeyes* in a license do mean. I just ignored them and then those > two licenses differ

Re: FreeBSD legacy license with restrictions on copyright notice placement

2022-09-16 Thread Richard Fontana
On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 4:03 PM Sam Hartman wrote: > > >>>>> "Richard" == Richard Fontana writes: > > Richard> I'm curious if there are opinions on why "must retain the > Richard> above copyright notice immediately at the beginning

FreeBSD legacy license with restrictions on copyright notice placement

2022-09-16 Thread Richard Fontana
Greetings debian-legal! I understand Debian includes the package libbsd in Debian main. This package includes a man page with the following license (see https://git.hadrons.org/cgit/debian/pkgs/libbsd.git/tree/debian/copyright#n214) License: BSD-5-clause-Peter-Wemm Redistribution and use in sour

Re: BSDish licenses without explicit modification permission

2020-08-16 Thread Richard Fontana
On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 12:25 AM Paul Wise wrote: > > On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 1:55 AM Paul Wise wrote: > > > Does anyone have any thoughts about this? > > I talked to one of RedHat's lawyers and they mentioned that they have > dealt with this problem too and concluded that these licenses were > int

Re: [Fedora-legal-list] The license of OpenMotif (Open Group Public License)

2019-03-18 Thread Richard Fontana
> > On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 3:36 AM Florian Weimer wrote: > > > Is it necessary that an open source license must allow porting to > > proprietary systems? I don't think so today. But based on what I > > found out about the OpenMotif license, people actually thought that > > back then. This surpr

Re: GPL-2+ with additional trademark spice

2018-01-30 Thread Richard Fontana
On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 07:14:43AM +1100, Ben Finney wrote: > Mihai Moldovan writes: > > > While working on a package (not yet part of Debian), I noticed the following > > copyright and license notice: > > Thank you for posting the full text of the grant of license. > > > # This copyrighted mat

Re: System libraries and the GPLv2

2017-03-31 Thread Richard Fontana
On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 11:37:32PM +0200, Francesco Poli wrote: > On Wed, 29 Mar 2017 23:28:46 -0400 Richard Fontana wrote: > > > On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 05:08:24AM +0200, Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez wrote: > > > > > Do you (or anyone else) _really_ think the c

Re: System libraries and the GPLv2

2017-03-31 Thread Richard Fontana
On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 10:27:46AM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: > On the other hand, when a larger upstream project > granted us a linking exception for OpenSSL, they probably did not > obtain consent from all the copyright holders, either. Right. For example, I remember one case where a Debian de

Re: System libraries and the GPLv2

2017-03-29 Thread Richard Fontana
On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 05:08:24AM +0200, Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez wrote: > Do you (or anyone else) _really_ think the copyright holders of the GPL > program in question had any intention ever of not allowing their program > to be used along with OpenSSL, when they where the ones implementing >

Re: System libraries and the GPLv2

2017-03-29 Thread Richard Fontana
On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 02:49:04AM +0200, Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez wrote: > However, I still don't understand why we don't just declare OpenSSL a > system library; or at least define a clear policy for when a package is > considered part of the base system (so the GPL system exception applies > t

Re: python-jsmin: evil or not?

2015-04-30 Thread Richard Fontana
On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 06:56:13PM +0200, Andrew Shadura wrote: > Hello, > > I've bumped into an interesting thing: python-jsmin claims to be a > Python rewrite of jsmin, but it's not clear if it's infected by Douglas > Crockford's "evilness" or not? It's in Debian currently, but look here: > > h

Re: Trilinos licensing

2014-03-14 Thread Richard Fontana
On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 05:29:28PM -0400, Paul Tagliamonte wrote: > On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 05:07:15PM -0400, Richard Fontana wrote: > > Why not? The traditional (though possibly retro-justified) theory of > > LGPLv2.x compatibility with GPLv2 is the 'convert to GPL'

Re: Trilinos licensing

2014-03-14 Thread Richard Fontana
On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 04:25:08PM -0400, Paul Tagliamonte wrote: > Also keep in mind GPLv3+ and LGPLv2.1 (hard) are not compatable. Why not? The traditional (though possibly retro-justified) theory of LGPLv2.x compatibility with GPLv2 is the 'convert to GPL' section 3 of LGPLv2.x (even though its

Re: Request for comment on license file

2014-02-26 Thread Richard Fontana
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 04:05:42PM +1100, Ben Finney wrote: > This is why the Free Software Foundation makes efforts to produce a > *General* Public License; one which can be generally applied to software > works, instead of inflating the number of incompatible licenses out there. Tangent: 'GPL' w

Re: AGPLv3 Compliance and Debian Users

2013-07-11 Thread Richard Fontana
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 08:27:31AM -0700, Clint Byrum wrote: > Excerpts from Richard Fontana's message of 2013-07-11 06:55:12 -0700: > > On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 03:12:39PM +0200, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: > > > > I'm no expert but that would be my interpretation. Also when I asked > > > > about the b

Re: AGPLv3 Compliance and Debian Users

2013-07-11 Thread Richard Fontana
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 03:12:39PM +0200, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: > > I'm no expert but that would be my interpretation. Also when I asked > > about the basis of the network part of the AGPL during the GPLv3 talk > > at DebConf10 in NYC, Bradley said the AGPL was specifically based on > > modificat

Re: Berkeley DB 6.0 license change to AGPLv3

2013-07-02 Thread Richard Fontana
On Tue, Jul 02, 2013 at 06:20:48PM +0200, Ondřej Surý wrote: > I don't believe I have spread any FUD. > [...] > 2. AGPLv3 is incompatible with Apache 2.0 license (http://www.apache.org/ > licenses/GPL-compatibility.html) Only in the same sense that GPL or LGPL (any version) is incompatible with a

Re: Thoughts on GPL's Appropriate Legal Notices? or the CPAL?

2011-12-16 Thread Richard Fontana
On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 08:20:59PM +, MJ Ray wrote: > Can you remember what arguments support the idea that "Powered by > SugarCRM" is an author attribution? > > Especially in cases like this, I think the man on the Clapham omnibus > would probably assume it referred to the running software, ra

Re: Thoughts on GPL's Appropriate Legal Notices? or the CPAL?

2011-12-15 Thread Richard Fontana
On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 02:43:33PM +, Simon McVittie wrote: > On Wed, 14 Dec 2011 at 16:47:33 -0500, Clark C. Evans wrote: > > the question for me is > > if "Powered By SugarCRM" is a reasonable author attribution. > > No, I don't think it is. > > "Copyright © 2011 John Doe" and "Copyright ©

Re: Thoughts on GPL's Appropriate Legal Notices? or the CPAL?

2011-12-14 Thread Richard Fontana
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 08:57:56PM +, MJ Ray wrote: > I don't know of anywhere that "Powered by SugarCRM" is a legal notice. > Does anyone? What legal effect does it have? I worked on the drafting of GPLv3 at my previous job (no tomatoes, please :). You may note that section 7 of (A)GPLv3 say

Re: Warranty disclaimers with SHOUTY CAPITALS

2008-01-08 Thread Richard Fontana
Ben Finney wrote: > Sadly, checking the released version of GPLv3, I see that the sections > "15. Disclaimer of Warranty." and "16. Limitation of Liability." both > contain all text in SHOUTY CAPITALS. > > That's disappointing :-( I wasn't aware they'd been reverted from > readable text. It must h