[mdadams@ece.uvic.ca: Re: JasPer licensing wrt Debian Linux]

2003-08-27 Thread Chris Cheney
I got the following email back from Michael. So with the clarification below that it is not allowed to use the JPEG-2000 part of the code for non-standards based work make it non DFSG free? If so is there anyway to make it DFSG free and still uphold their wishes as stated below? Thanks, Chris Ch

Re: Bug#181969: [mdadams@ece.uvic.ca: Re: JasPer licensing wrt Debian Linux]

2003-08-28 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 10:33:46PM -0500, Chris Cheney wrote: > I got the following email back from Michael. So with the clarification > below that it is not allowed to use the JPEG-2000 part of the code for > non-standards based work make it non DFSG free? If so is there anyway to > make it DFSG

Re: Bug#181969: [mdadams@ece.uvic.ca: Re: JasPer licensing wrt Debian Linux]

2003-08-28 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 10:58:02PM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote: > By using copyright law to reinforce software patents (which are a load > of hooey to begin with of course), the license becomes non-free. A > notice that the software is subject to patents would be free, but making > it a binding pa

Re: [vorlon@netexpress.net: Re: Bug#181969: [mdadams@ece.uvic.ca: Re: JasPer licensing wrt Debian Linux]]

2003-12-16 Thread Michael Adams
Dear Martin and Others: I dislike the notion of software patents just as much as you do, perhaps even more as they have been causing me a lot of grief with respect to JasPer. I am very much in favor of software with no usage restrictions at all. In an ideal world, JasPer would have no usage rest

Re: [vorlon@netexpress.net: Re: Bug#181969: [mdadams@ece.uvic.ca: Re: JasPer licensing wrt Debian Linux]]

2003-12-16 Thread MJ Ray
On 2003-12-16 19:37:28 + Michael Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What I ask is that you please appreciate the world is far from ideal. I can appreciate that, but can you please appreciate that your software licence is far from ideal? I have received a number of rather unkind e-mail f

Re: [vorlon@netexpress.net: Re: Bug#181969: [mdadams@ece.uvic.ca: Re: JasPer licensing wrt Debian Linux]]

2003-12-16 Thread MJ Ray
On 2003-12-17 00:57:43 + Michael Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I have received a number of rather unkind e-mail from some members of the open-source community. Please name them. Please do not take offense. I am not criticizing the members of this forum. I am not taking offence, but I

Re: [vorlon@netexpress.net: Re: Bug#181969: [mdadams@ece.uvic.ca: Re: JasPer licensing wrt Debian Linux]]

2003-12-16 Thread Steve Langasek
Michael, On Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 11:37:28AM -0800, Michael Adams wrote: > I dislike the notion of software patents just as much as you do, > perhaps even more as they have been causing me a lot of grief with > respect to JasPer. I am very much in favor of software with no usage > restrictions at

Re: [vorlon@netexpress.net: Re: Bug#181969: [mdadams@ece.uvic.ca: Re: JasPer licensing wrt Debian Linux]]

2003-12-16 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 11:37:28AM -0800, Michael Adams wrote: > Second, and more importantly, there is a critical legal issue involved > here. In fact, it is for this reason that all of the JasPer > Contributors agreed that the compliant-usage clause was necessary. The > troublesome issue is thi

Re: [vorlon@netexpress.net: Re: Bug#181969: [mdadams@ece.uvic.ca: Re: JasPer licensing wrt Debian Linux]]

2003-12-16 Thread Michael Adams
On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, MJ Ray wrote: > I can appreciate that, but can you please appreciate that your > software licence is far from ideal? I do acknowledge that. This is why, in an ideal world, I would have prefered to have a license without usage restrictions (because such a license would obvious

Re: [vorlon@netexpress.net: Re: Bug#181969: [mdadams@ece.uvic.ca: Re: JasPer licensing wrt Debian Linux]]

2003-12-17 Thread Ben Reser
On Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 11:37:28AM -0800, Michael Adams wrote: > I have received a number of rather unkind e-mail from some members of > the open-source community. That is, a number of people have been very > critical of me for the compliant-usage clause in the JasPer license. > In this regard, I

Re: [vorlon@netexpress.net: Re: Bug#181969: [mdadams@ece.uvic.ca: Re: JasPer licensing wrt Debian Linux]]

2003-12-17 Thread Arnoud Engelfriet
Glenn Maynard wrote: > Does such a thing as contributory infringement exist for patents? I've > only heard of that particular evil in relation to copyright. 35 US Code 271, section (c). http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/35/271.html Whoever offers to sell or sells within the United States or imp

Re: [vorlon@netexpress.net: Re: Bug#181969: [mdadams@ece.uvic.ca: Re: JasPer licensing wrt Debian Linux]]

2003-12-17 Thread Mark Brown
On Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 08:22:35PM -0600, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 11:37:28AM -0800, Michael Adams wrote: > > troublesome issue is this: The JasPer Contributors might be held > > liable for the patent-infringing use of the JasPer software by > > *others*. This is a very se

Re: [vorlon@netexpress.net: Re: Bug#181969: [mdadams@ece.uvic.ca: Re: JasPer licensing wrt Debian Linux]]

2003-12-17 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 11:37:28AM -0800, Michael Adams wrote: > I dislike the notion of software patents just as much as you do, > perhaps even more as they have been causing me a lot of grief with > respect to JasPer. I am very much in favor of software with no usage > restrictions at all. In a

Re: [vorlon@netexpress.net: Re: Bug#181969: [mdadams@ece.uvic.ca: Re: JasPer licensing wrt Debian Linux]]

2003-12-18 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 11:42:06PM -0800, Ben Reser wrote: > As a member of the ayttm project I'd really just like to see this issue > resolved. We need a JPEG2000 implementation in order to interoperate > with Yahoo's webcam feature. While we have a functionality implemented > against your libra

Re: [vorlon@netexpress.net: Re: Bug#181969: [mdadams@ece.uvic.ca: Re: JasPer licensing wrt Debian Linux]]

2003-12-19 Thread Joe Moore
Arnoud Engelfriet said: > 35 US Code 271, section (c). > http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/35/271.html > > Whoever offers to sell or sells within the United States or > imports into the United States a component of a patented > machine, manufacture, combination or composition, or a material > or a

Re: [vorlon@netexpress.net: Re: Bug#181969: [mdadams@ece.uvic.ca: Re: JasPer licensing wrt Debian Linux]]

2004-01-02 Thread Michael Adams
Dear Ben and Others: On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, Ben Reser wrote: > Perhaps, there is a compromise that we can make between your license and > our standards. > For instance Clause 7 of the GPL specifically covers patents and > generally covers any case where the distribution of the software may be > ille

Re: [vorlon@netexpress.net: Re: Bug#181969: [mdadams@ece.uvic.ca: Re: JasPer licensing wrt Debian Linux]]

2004-01-02 Thread Michael Adams
Dear Branden: On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, Branden Robinson wrote: > > F. This software is for use only in hardware or software products > > that are compliant with ISO/IEC 15444-1 (i.e., JPEG-2000 Part 1). No > > license or right to this Software is granted for products that do not > > comply with ISO/

Re: [vorlon@netexpress.net: Re: Bug#181969: [mdadams@ece.uvic.ca: Re: JasPer licensing wrt Debian Linux]]

2004-01-02 Thread Walter Landry
Michael Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear Branden: > > On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, Branden Robinson wrote: > > > F. This software is for use only in hardware or software products > > > that are compliant with ISO/IEC 15444-1 (i.e., JPEG-2000 Part 1). No > > > license or right to this Software is

Re: [vorlon@netexpress.net: Re: Bug#181969: [mdadams@ece.uvic.ca: Re: JasPer licensing wrt Debian Linux]]

2004-01-02 Thread Matt Palmer
On Fri, Jan 02, 2004 at 11:42:09AM -0800, Michael Adams wrote: > JasPer. The problem with the GPL is that many commercial organizations > will not use GPL'd software. For this reason, the GPL was not chosen > for JasPer. What about the LGPL? GPL-like, GPL-compatible, but not as "viral" as the G

Re: [vorlon@netexpress.net: Re: Bug#181969: [mdadams@ece.uvic.ca: Re: JasPer licensing wrt Debian Linux]]

2004-01-02 Thread Ben Reser
On Fri, Jan 02, 2004 at 12:03:47PM -0800, Michael Adams wrote: > This is one of the reasons why I object when people claim that JasPer > is not free software. Only the JPEG-2000 codec module has a usage > restriction, not the JasPer library proper. I could have released the > JasPer codec modules

Re: [vorlon@netexpress.net: Re: Bug#181969: [mdadams@ece.uvic.ca: Re: JasPer licensing wrt Debian Linux]]

2004-01-02 Thread Ben Reser
On Fri, Jan 02, 2004 at 11:42:09AM -0800, Michael Adams wrote: > I am not sure if you are suggesting that JasPer use the GPL. For what > it's worth, the GPL license was considered as a potential license for > JasPer. The problem with the GPL is that many commercial organizations > will not use GP

Re: [vorlon@netexpress.net: Re: Bug#181969: [mdadams@ece.uvic.ca: Re: JasPer licensing wrt Debian Linux]]

2004-01-02 Thread Walter Landry
"Matt Palmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Jan 02, 2004 at 11:42:09AM -0800, Michael Adams wrote: > > JasPer. The problem with the GPL is that many commercial organizations > > will not use GPL'd software. For this reason, the GPL was not chosen > > for JasPer. > > What about the LGPL?

Re: [vorlon@netexpress.net: Re: Bug#181969: [mdadams@ece.uvic.ca: Re: JasPer licensing wrt Debian Linux]]

2004-01-03 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Fri, Jan 02, 2004 at 11:42:09AM -0800, Michael Adams wrote: > Can anyone give me an actual example of a project that > would like to use the JasPer JPEG-2000 codec in a non-interoperable > way? Almighty duh of all duhs, JPEG-2010. Even the original authors probably won't be able to do it, if th

Re: [vorlon@netexpress.net: Re: Bug#181969: [mdadams@ece.uvic.ca: Re: JasPer licensing wrt Debian Linux]]

2004-01-06 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Jan 02, 2004 at 12:03:47PM -0800, Michael Adams wrote: > Dear Branden: > > On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, Branden Robinson wrote: > > > F. This software is for use only in hardware or software products > > > that are compliant with ISO/IEC 15444-1 (i.e., JPEG-2000 Part 1). No > > > license or righ

Re: [vorlon@netexpress.net: Re: Bug#181969: [mdadams@ece.uvic.ca: Re: JasPer licensing wrt Debian Linux]]

2004-01-12 Thread Michael Adams
Dear Ben and Others: I have sent an email to Image Power to see if it would be possible to make a change in the JasPer license. I do not know what will come of this. It has been a week now, and I have yet to receive a response. Hopefully, I will hear something from the company soon. Sincerely,

Re: [vorlon@netexpress.net: Re: Bug#181969: [mdadams@ece.uvic.ca: Re: JasPer licensing wrt Debian Linux]]

2004-01-13 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Jan 04, 2004 at 05:08:26AM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: > On Fri, Jan 02, 2004 at 11:42:09AM -0800, Michael Adams wrote: > > Can anyone give me an actual example of a project that > > would like to use the JasPer JPEG-2000 codec in a non-interoperable > > way? > > Almighty duh of all duhs