Alexey Eromenko, 2011-12-18 17:24+0100:
Let me tell you about the risks we face, we non-free, web-dependent
software stays in 'main' repo:
1. More FOSS developers will use it for derivative works
(KDE/GNOME-facebook login)
2. One day it will become mandatory to even login into your desktop
Let me tell you about the risks we face, we non-free, web-dependent
software stays in 'main' repo:
1. More FOSS developers will use it for derivative works
(KDE/GNOME-facebook login)
2. One day it will become mandatory to even login into your desktop
(Google OS is clearly moving in this
I don't think that the desert island thought experiment has anything
to do with web services.
The purpose of the desert island test is to show why software like
postcardware (send me a postcard if you use my software) is not Free
Software.
While the situation is not exactly the same, consider
Jeff Epler, 2011-12-16 16:29+0100:
I don't think that the desert island thought experiment has anything
to do with web services.
The purpose of the desert island test is to show why software like
postcardware (send me a postcard if you use my software) is not Free
Software.
I would say
If we can agree that dependency on a non-free web service is equal to
dependency on a non-free software library, then we can open bug
reports, and move the affected packages to 'contrib'.
For general web browsers, having 'Google' search engine (or Yahoo) is
merely suggested dependency, because it
On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 12:46 AM, Alexey Eromenko al4...@gmail.com wrote:
so... what's the next step ?
Open bug reports against those 'facebook' packages and ask maintainers
to move it to 'contrib' repo ?
The next step is there is no next step because this is a non-issue. A
couple of people
On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 8:23 AM, Clark C. Evans c...@clarkevans.com wrote:
On Mon, Dec 12, 2011, at 02:02 AM, Christofer C. Bell wrote:
| The question of freeness or non-freeness in Debian has
| to do with licensing, and nothing to do with the uses to
| which software is put. If the program
Again, I think by this logic, the entirety of software included in the
Debian archive that is used to access a network service could be labeled
contrib or non-free. I think that's a serious mistake. Debian has no
control over the operators of external SaaS providers. To embed this --
Philosophy:
Debian is increasingly becoming a Cloud OS (TM), which is a good thing.
With technologies such as 'OpenVZ', 'LXC', 'Eucalyptus' and
'OpenStack' clouds, and lots of web apps (PHPbb, redmine), Debian
gains power.
However with great power, comes great responsibility, and our future
[1] Free Software implementations must exist in Debian. For new
protocols, both client and server parts must be introduced together.
If only client or only server exists as Free Software, it should go to
'contrib' until corresponding Free Software part is developed.
Example:
FreeNX Server --
On Mon, Dec 12, 2011, at 10:17 AM, Christofer C. Bell wrote:
What happens if my application gets smart, it looks first
for the proprietary dynamic link library; and if it isn't
there, it uses a web service wrapper for that library? Would
this move an application from contrib to free?
In addition, once we come to conclusion of this topic, we must clarify
the definition of 'contrib' repository regarding to Web API /
dependency on the web.
For example, free software in 'main' must *not* download non-free
modules from the Internet silently. This is important.
so... what's the
On Lu, 05 dec 11, 17:06:21, Clark C. Evans wrote:
The free/contrib distinction makes people scratch their heads.
Why isn't this Free? It's an important lever. Some people
just don't think of Twitter or Facebook as software at all
and will happily chain their work to it. I think the
On Monday, December 05, 2011 10:51 PM, Andrei Popescu
andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote:
On Lu, 05 dec 11, 21:55:28, Alexey Eromenko wrote:
The contrib archive area contains supplemental packages intended to
work with the Debian distribution, but which require software
outside of the
Alexey Eromenko wrote:
Hello Debian People !
Debian 6.0 (Squeeze) ships packages [2] that integrate with web services
(called in modern term 'Cloud Computing' or SaaS,
'Software-as-a-Service' if you will), such as the Facebook API.
What if Facebook decides to close down it's APIs tomorrow ?
On Sunday, December 04, 2011 3:55ser PM, Joey Hess jo...@debian.org
wrote:
Perhaps they should be moved to 'contrib' category, because they
interface non-free web-services. Debian's 'main' repository seems not
the right place for any such web APIs.
...
How far down this line until it
Le 04/12/2011 21:02, Clark C. Evans a écrit :
I'd say that any dependency on non-free remote service fails Debian's
Desert Island Test [1]
Nothing prevents people to distribute the code inside a desert Island.
The fact that the program would be useless if it depends on a remote
service is
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