Re: CC-based proposal (was FDL: no news?)

2004-07-12 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Evan Prodromou wrote: On Mon, 2004-07-05 at 19:08, MJ Ray wrote: Numerous people have tried many angles. More are welcome, as we clearly haven't found the correct approach yet. So, I'd like to write a draft summary for the 6 Creative Commons 2.0 licenses:

Re: CC-based proposal (was FDL: no news?)

2004-07-12 Thread Nathanael Nerode
posted mailed Thibaut VARENE wrote: First, let me try to define what I'm calling non-software: Stop. Call it non-programs. Here, when we say software, we mean it ain't hardware. snip Now, the whole idea of applying the same freeness criteria to what I call non-software content, looks like

Re: CC-based proposal (was FDL: no news?)

2004-07-12 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Jul 06, 2004 at 09:11:08AM -0800, D. Starner wrote: Now, the whole idea of applying the same freeness criteria to what I call non-software content, looks like a complete nonsense to me, Can we give it up? We've had at least a year of discussion on this subject, then a vote, then

Re: CC-based proposal (was FDL: no news?)

2004-07-12 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-07-12 08:18:21 +0100 Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why, particularly, should he deviate from the fine example set by Craig Sanders and other supporters of Proposal D? Craig Sanders himself voted Further Discussion as second preference and ignored all other outcomes,

Re: CC-based proposal (was FDL: no news?)

2004-07-06 Thread tom
Four of them (with NonCommercial or NoDerivatives elements) are clearly not intended to be DSFG-free. It seems to the untrained eye that the other two (Attribution and Attribution-ShareAlike) are. The problems we have with these licenses are more or less ones of clarity and wording rather than

Re: CC-based proposal (was FDL: no news?)

2004-07-06 Thread Thibaut VARENE
On 7/6/2004, tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My doubt is: dfsg should cover the 4 freedom of fsf. How does CC respect the availability of source code? I mean FDL does something like that with the provision of a copy in an open format when you distribute a certenly amount of copies. Can we

Re: CC-based proposal (was FDL: no news?)

2004-07-06 Thread Evan Prodromou
On Tue, 2004-07-06 at 09:23, tom wrote: My doubt is: dfsg should cover the 4 freedom of fsf. I think this is a non-issue. The DFSG is the DFSG, nothing more or less. How does CC respect the availability of source code? The licenses neither enforce nor prevent a licensee's distribution of

Re: CC-based proposal (was FDL: no news?)

2004-07-06 Thread D. Starner
Now, the whole idea of applying the same freeness criteria to what I call non-software content, looks like a complete nonsense to me, Can we give it up? We've had at least a year of discussion on this subject, then a vote, then long flame-wars all over the place, then another vote, since people

Re: CC-based proposal (was FDL: no news?)

2004-07-05 Thread Evan Prodromou
On Mon, 2004-07-05 at 19:08, MJ Ray wrote: Numerous people have tried many angles. More are welcome, as we clearly haven't found the correct approach yet. So, I'd like to write a draft summary for the 6 Creative Commons 2.0 licenses: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/ Four