Contract and Tort Law and the GPL

2005-05-11 Thread Raul Miller
It's been suggested that existing case law with respect to copyrights always is based on contract law, and that the GPL can only be understood in terms of contract law. As near as I can tell, this is mistaking correlation with causation. Standard industry practice involves the use of contract law

Re: Contract and Tort Law and the GPL

2005-05-11 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 5/11/05, Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's been suggested that existing case law with respect to copyrights > always is based on contract law, and that the GPL can only be > understood in terms of contract law. Oferchrissake. Existing case law with respect to copyright _licenses_ i

Re: Contract and Tort Law and the GPL

2005-05-11 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 5/11/05, Michael K. Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Oferchrissake. ... > ... This is such complete crap I am almost speechless. > This is arrant nonsense. ... It appears that I have lost patience with this particular line of argument. My apologies for polluting people's in-boxes. You

Re: Contract and Tort Law and the GPL

2005-05-12 Thread MJ Ray
"Michael K. Edwards" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [...] My apologies for polluting people's in-boxes. You will > perhaps understand if I refrain from rebutting certain lines of > argument henceforth, and not mistake it for an inability to do so.=20 Thanks for the apology. Would you consider post

Re: Contract and Tort Law and the GPL

2005-05-12 Thread Batist Paklons
On 12/05/05, Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > However, there is the other option: Tort Law. Not in some jurisdiction (such as the French and Belgian one). The GPL is a valid contract, and to sue under tort law is very difficult when there is some contract between the parties. It has to be

Re: Contract and Tort Law and the GPL

2005-05-12 Thread Raul Miller
On 5/12/05, Michael K. Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Oferchrissake. Existing case law with respect to copyright _licenses_ > is always, always, always based on contract law (in the US, anyway). > Would you do me the courtesy of at least correctly stating the > argument that you are attempti

Re: Contract and Tort Law and the GPL

2005-05-12 Thread Humberto Massa
Raul Miller wrote: It's been suggested that existing case law with respect to copyrights always is based on contract law, and that the GPL can only be understood in terms of contract law. (...) However, there is the other option: Tort Law. I don't know and I won't try to figure out if your a

Re: Contract and Tort Law and the GPL

2005-05-12 Thread Raul Miller
Just in case anyone was worried about this issue: On 5/12/05, Michael K. Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 5/11/05, Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > So it should be possible to treat the GPL as if an implicit contract > > had been signed, and proceed from there, and the damages inf

Re: Contract and Tort Law and the GPL

2005-05-12 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 5/12/05, Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just in case anyone was worried about this issue: > > On 5/12/05, Michael K. Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 5/11/05, Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > So it should be possible to treat the GPL as if an implicit contract > >

Re: Contract and Tort Law and the GPL

2005-05-12 Thread Raul Miller
On 5/12/05, Michael K. Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Federal copyright law presumes irreparable harm from the > infringement of a copyright. See Cadence Design Systems, > 125 F.3d at 826-27. Exactly. -- Raul

Re: Contract and Tort Law and the GPL

2005-05-12 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 12 May 2005 09:46:28 GMT, MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks for the apology. Would you consider posting a short outline > of how you would rebut the argument in general, rather than getting > annoyed writing a point-by-point demolition? I'd ignore any "you > can't answer everything you

Re: Contract and Tort Law and the GPL

2005-05-12 Thread Raul Miller
On 5/12/05, Michael K. Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > All copyright _licenses_ (in the US, anyway) are terms in contracts. This does seem to be your main thesis. You have not provided any reason to believe that this generalization must hold in all cases. Instead, you've been using the fu

Re: Contract and Tort Law and the GPL

2005-05-12 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 5/12/05, Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 5/12/05, Michael K. Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > All copyright _licenses_ (in the US, anyway) are terms in contracts. > > This does seem to be your main thesis. > > You have not provided any reason to believe that this generalizati

Re: Contract and Tort Law and the GPL

2005-05-12 Thread Raul Miller
On 5/12/05, Michael K. Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Or he could consult a law book, of course. I don't bother with > citations to Nimmer on Copyright or Corbin on Contracts or whatever > except when I find them quoted in a court opinion, because I can't > just hand you a URL. But if you c

Re: Contract and Tort Law and the GPL

2005-05-12 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 5/12/05, Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 5/12/05, Michael K. Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Or he could consult a law book, of course. I don't bother with > > citations to Nimmer on Copyright or Corbin on Contracts or whatever > > except when I find them quoted in a court op