Re: FYI: Zope Public License 1.1 vague, contradictory, and not DFSG-free

2001-09-06 Thread Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS
John Galt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Basically, this whole part of the > argument is a large no-op, and really shouldn't have been brought up in > the first place unless you think it's time to consider the copyright on > licenses as a valid thing in determining the DFSG-freeness or worth of > inclus

Re: FYI: Zope Public License 1.1 vague, contradictory, and not DFSG-free

2001-09-06 Thread John Galt
This is interesting in a weird sort of way. If we're going to let copyrighted licenses stand in our way, I guess cut-n-pasting parts of the GPL for use in discussion is out too. So far the consensus has been that copyrighting a license is a no-op, since you can't copyright a contract. As for the

Re: FYI: Zope Public License 1.1 vague, contradictory, and not DFSG-free

2001-09-05 Thread Raul Miller
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 09:20:54AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > Yes, and like most of the other hacks the author of this license cobbled > onto the BSD terms, what is meant by "packaged" is not specified > anywhere. ... > That's what I think the author means to say; that isn't what the license

Re: FYI: Zope Public License 1.1 vague, contradictory, and not DFSG-free

2001-09-05 Thread Gregor Hoffleit
* Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010905 16:21]: > I continue to feel that this license is dangerously vague, and I > reiterate my offer to work with the Zope Corporation, or Digital > Creations, or whoever is in charge of it to clean it up, if Gregor is > agreeable to that proposal. Since i

Re: FYI: Zope Public License 1.1 vague, contradictory, and not DFSG-free

2001-09-05 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 07:02:58AM -0400, Raul Miller wrote: > Branden is concerned about the 'must be packaged separately' language. Yes, and like most of the other hacks the author of this license cobbled onto the BSD terms, what is meant by "packaged" is not specified anywhere. Maybe it means

Re: FYI: Zope Public License 1.1 vague, contradictory, and not DFSG-free

2001-09-05 Thread Raul Miller
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 10:45:49AM +0200, Gregor Hoffleit wrote: > Now we have to go on and discuss whether ZPL 1.0 is free according to > the DFSG. ... > I.e. the ZPL 1.0 is a FSF-free license. So? The question isn't whether we can distribute or use the software, the question is whether it's r

Re: FYI: Zope Public License 1.1 vague, contradictory, and not DFSG-free

2001-09-05 Thread Gregor Hoffleit
* Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010905 05:19]: > Version 1.1 of the Zope Public License was recently released. It has a > lot of problems. > > http://www.zope.org/Resources/ZPL Thanks for pointing out the new revision of the license, I hadn't noticed it myself yet. A few quick comments:

FYI: Zope Public License 1.1 vague, contradictory, and not DFSG-free

2001-09-05 Thread Branden Robinson
Version 1.1 of the Zope Public License was recently released. It has a lot of problems. http://www.zope.org/Resources/ZPL First, the license text itself: "Copyright (c) Zope Corporation. All rights reserved." If that refers to the text of the license itself, I may be violating the license on t