Re: Freeness of licence for wwwcount?

2005-09-20 Thread Nathanael Nerode
M J Ray wrote: "Joe Smith" [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] It has long been held that private copying is not covered by copyright. (Think: making a cassette tape from a cd). Maybe you've just worded this badly, or maybe you're relying on some specific place's laws, but my private copying is su

Re: Freeness of licence for wwwcount?

2005-09-20 Thread MJ Ray
"Joe Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] > If a person has no reason to think that something may possibly be illeagal > then there is likely a severe problem with the law. There are severe problems with copyright law. Doesn't change whether or not you broke it. > For example, if a law prohib

Re: Freeness of licence for wwwcount?

2005-09-20 Thread Joe Smith
- Original Message - From: "MJ Ray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> It is hard to convict somebody for violating a law that they honestly have no reason to belive they might have violated. [...] Never heard the expression "ignorance is not a defence"? One would still be found guilty, but penaltie

Re: Freeness of licence for wwwcount?

2005-09-20 Thread Marco d'Itri
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Is private modification safeguarded by the DFSG? I think so. I don't. >DFSG 1, 3 and 6 interaction. Not really obvious. -- ciao, Marco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Freeness of licence for wwwcount?

2005-09-20 Thread MJ Ray
"Joe Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 17 USC 106 (which 17 USC 117 references) subparagraph b, is rediculous. 1. that is all about US law. Debian is distributed many other places. 2. many people consider much copyright law ridiculous. Sadly, it's still the law and does "the law is an ass" ever

Re: Freeness of licence for wwwcount?

2005-09-20 Thread Harri Järvi
On Mon, Sep 19, 2005 at 22:37:31 -0400, Joe Smith wrote: > >This analogy between software and hard copies is deeply flawed. Under > >17 USC 117(a), modificaton of a program is only permitted as an > >essential step in the utilization of the program. > > Certainly if a program fails to do what you

Re: Freeness of licence for wwwcount?

2005-09-19 Thread Joe Smith
"Michael Poole" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This analogy between software and hard copies is deeply flawed. Under 17 USC 117(a), modificaton of a program is only permitted as an essential step in the utilization of the program. Under 17 USC 117(b), you need a

Re: Freeness of licence for wwwcount?

2005-09-19 Thread Joe Smith
This analogy between software and hard copies is deeply flawed. Under 17 USC 117(a), modificaton of a program is only permitted as an essential step in the utilization of the program. Certainly if a program fails to do what you desire, changing it is esential for use of the program to do as

Re: Freeness of licence for wwwcount?

2005-09-19 Thread Michael Poole
Joe Smith writes: >> You are confusing limited fair use rights (which only exist in some >> jurisdictions) with substantial rights to copy and modify a work. > > WelltThat may be true, but in the US one cannot commit copyright infringment > by simply modifying a tangible copy of a work, only by c

Re: Freeness of licence for wwwcount?

2005-09-19 Thread Joe Smith
"MJ Ray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] "Joe Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] It has long been held that private copying is not covered by copyright. (Think: making a cassette tape from a cd). Maybe you've just worded this badly, Perhaps. Regardless. In ge

Re: Freeness of licence for wwwcount?

2005-09-19 Thread Joe Smith
You are confusing limited fair use rights (which only exist in some jurisdictions) with substantial rights to copy and modify a work. WelltThat may be true, but in the US one cannot commit copyright infringment by simply modifying a tangible copy of a work, only by copying it. (After all, if

Re: Freeness of licence for wwwcount?

2005-09-19 Thread MJ Ray
"Joe Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [...] It has long been > held that private copying is not covered by copyright. (Think: making a > cassette tape from a cd). Maybe you've just worded this badly, or maybe you're relying on some specific place's laws, but my private copying is subject to c

Re: Freeness of licence for wwwcount?

2005-09-19 Thread Michael Poole
Joe Smith writes: > "Steve Langasek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>So this license prohibits private modifications. > > Based on what I see, this was intended to be expat or BSD-like, except > requiring that the source be available on distribution. This is somew

Re: Freeness of licence for wwwcount?

2005-09-19 Thread Joe Smith
"Steve Langasek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] So this license prohibits private modifications. Based on what I see, this was intended to be expat or BSD-like, except requiring that the source be available on distribution. This is somewhat more like the MPL. It

Re: Freeness of licence for wwwcount?

2005-09-18 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Sep 19, 2005 at 12:47:59PM +1000, Andrew Pollock wrote: > The package wwwcount used to be in non-free, and has been subsequently > removed as it was orphaned. > I've just had a read of the licence[1], and I can't actually see anything > terribly wrong with it. > Can someone with more lic

Freeness of licence for wwwcount?

2005-09-18 Thread Andrew Pollock
Hi, The package wwwcount used to be in non-free, and has been subsequently removed as it was orphaned. I've just had a read of the licence[1], and I can't actually see anything terribly wrong with it. Can someone with more licensing-fu than me please tell me what's wrong with it? I wouldn't min