Re: GNU TLS OpenSSL compatibility layer under GPL, not LGPL

2003-03-02 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Sean 'Shaleh' Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: According to the FSF, linking a GPL library is the equivalent of preparing a derived work. According to not just the FSF, linking a GPL library to something else *IS* the preparation of a derived work.

Re: GNU TLS OpenSSL compatibility layer under GPL, not LGPL

2003-01-18 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Jan 17, 2003 at 03:05:04PM -0500, Jeff Licquia wrote: Sure, code can be rewritten to use gnutls natively. But I don't understand why anyone would consider this a useful expenditure of developer resources when the necessary OpenSSL compat glue could simply be made available under

Re: GNU TLS OpenSSL compatibility layer under GPL, not LGPL

2003-01-18 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Sat, 2003-01-18 at 11:52, Steve Langasek wrote: On Fri, Jan 17, 2003 at 03:05:04PM -0500, Jeff Licquia wrote: I suppose it depends on whose resources are being wasted. Certainly the GNU project's resources aren't. Perhaps not directly. Who knows how many people who would otherwise

Re: GNU TLS OpenSSL compatibility layer under GPL, not LGPL

2003-01-18 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
On Saturday 18 January 2003 10:00, Steve Langasek wrote: On Sat, Jan 18, 2003 at 12:32:34PM -0500, Jeff Licquia wrote: Perhaps not directly. Who knows how many people who would otherwise be spending time on GPL software will instead be stuck porting free-but-GPL-incompatible software to

Re: GNU TLS OpenSSL compatibility layer under GPL, not LGPL

2003-01-18 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Sat, 2003-01-18 at 13:00, Steve Langasek wrote: On Sat, Jan 18, 2003 at 12:32:34PM -0500, Jeff Licquia wrote: Well, this is the GNU project we're talking about. How much GPL-incompatible software do they distribute? None that I know of. Are you ascribing to the GNU project the

Re: GNU TLS OpenSSL compatibility layer under GPL, not LGPL

2003-01-17 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Thu, 2003-01-16 at 11:56, Steve Langasek wrote: While true, this doesn't address the fundamental complaint that the licensing of the OpenSSL compatibility layer renders it worthless for most applications. The ironic result is that those who write GPL-compatible software are free to use the

GNU TLS OpenSSL compatibility layer under GPL, not LGPL

2003-01-16 Thread Shaul Karl
Can someone explain what is the problem with the following situation? In particular, why it is important here to have the OpenSSL layer relicense under the LGPL? GNU TLS OpenSSL compatibility layer under GPL, not LGPL

Re: GNU TLS OpenSSL compatibility layer under GPL, not LGPL

2003-01-16 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
On Thursday 16 January 2003 02:50, Shaul Karl wrote: Can someone explain what is the problem with the following situation? In particular, why it is important here to have the OpenSSL layer relicense under the LGPL? According to the FSF, linking a GPL library is the equivalent of preparing

Re: GNU TLS OpenSSL compatibility layer under GPL, not LGPL

2003-01-16 Thread Simon Josefsson
Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Shaul, On Thu, Jan 16, 2003 at 12:50:57PM +0200, Shaul Karl wrote: Can someone explain what is the problem with the following situation? In particular, why it is important here to have the OpenSSL layer relicense under the LGPL? Think of the

Re: GNU TLS OpenSSL compatibility layer under GPL, not LGPL

2003-01-16 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Jan 16, 2003 at 05:40:47PM +0100, Simon Josefsson wrote: Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Think of the case of an LGPL library that wants to include SSL functionality. If it links against the GPLed GNU TLS layer, it cannot be used by GPL-incompatible apps, because the GPL

Re: GNU TLS OpenSSL compatibility layer under GPL, not LGPL

2003-01-16 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Thu, Jan 16, 2003 at 05:40:47PM +0100, Simon Josefsson wrote: There is a third option: Make the library use GNU TLS natively, without the OpenSSL compatibility layer. GNU TLS core is LGPL. This is just an argument that the compat layer doesn't need to exist at all, which is basically true;

Re: [gnutls-dev]GNU TLS OpenSSL compatibility layer under GPL, not LGPL

2003-01-07 Thread Nikos Mavroyanopoulos
On Sun, Jan 05, 2003 at 11:15:02PM -0500, Jeff Licquia wrote: I have written a patch for CUPS to use the OpenSSL compatibility code in GNU TLS, but upstream noticed something I didn't: the compatibility library is in libgnutls-extra, which is still under the GPL. This seemed odd to me; all

Re: [gnutls-dev]GNU TLS OpenSSL compatibility layer under GPL, not LGPL

2003-01-07 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Tue, 2003-01-07 at 02:43, Nikos Mavroyanopoulos wrote: Yes, the OpenSSL compatibility layer was written by Andrew McDonald to allow GPL programs, that depended on openssl, to compile out of the box with gnutls. This was the major problem back then. I see. CUPS is admittedly unique in this