Re: GPL and Copyright Law (Was: Eclipse 3.0 Running ILLEGALY on Kaffe)

2005-01-19 Thread Raul Miller
On Wed, Jan 19, 2005 at 12:01:48PM -0800, Michael K. Edwards wrote: The end being achieved is a major factor in finding a functional interface for legal purposes. We're in violent agreement, here. The GPL is indeed an offer of contract, but it ties standards of breach so closely to copyright

Re: GPL and Copyright Law (Was: Eclipse 3.0 Running ILLEGALY on Kaffe)

2005-01-17 Thread Dalibor Topic
Etienne Gagnon wrote: [OK. One past-last message, as Dalibor does deserve an answer to his nice message.] Dalibor Topic wrote: Can you interpret shell scripts without GNU Bash? Can you interpret makefiles without GNU Make? As far as I can tell, from reading the law and the GPL, the bash

Re: GPL and Copyright Law (Was: Eclipse 3.0 Running ILLEGALY on Kaffe)

2005-01-17 Thread Dalibor Topic
Dalibor Topic wrote: I'll use a verbatim copy of my post to take apart your and Gadek's claim. Please do not take the heat of the debate as a personal affront. It's not meant to hurt. I very much appreciate your civility in your e-mail messages, which are a refreshing change from the pissing

Re: GPL and Copyright Law (Was: Eclipse 3.0 Running ILLEGALY on Kaffe)

2005-01-17 Thread Michael K. Edwards
Summary: Canadian law has a few interesting differences from US law, but I reach the same main conclusions -- the GPL is a valid offer of contract; technical distinctions like linking vs. interpretation are irrelevant to its legal force; and a judge is unlikely to permit the GPL to reach across a

Re: GPL and Copyright Law (Was: Eclipse 3.0 Running ILLEGALY on Kaffe)

2005-01-17 Thread Raul Miller
On Mon, Jan 17, 2005 at 02:16:37PM -0800, Michael K. Edwards wrote: Summary: Canadian law has a few interesting differences from US law, but I reach the same main conclusions -- the GPL is a valid offer of contract; technical distinctions like linking vs. interpretation are irrelevant to its

Re: GPL and Copyright Law (Was: Eclipse 3.0 Running ILLEGALY on Kaffe)

2005-01-16 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Sun, Jan 16, 2005 at 05:05:54PM -0500, Etienne Gagnon wrote: [Side comment: This is one of the beauty of the GPL: for all those, such as SCO, that claim that the GPL wouldn't hold up in court, it would mean that actually they (SCO all) have no right to do anything, let alone

Re: GPL and Copyright Law (Was: Eclipse 3.0 Running ILLEGALY on Kaffe)

2005-01-16 Thread Dalibor Topic
Etienne Gagnon wrote: Hi All, I am not subscribed to this mailing-list, so please CC answers to me (if any). In this long message I will outline my interpretation of copyright law and the GNU GPL. I will actually cite the relevant parts (for computer Software) of the Canadian Copyright Act,

Re: GPL and Copyright Law (Was: Eclipse 3.0 Running ILLEGALY on Kaffe)

2005-01-16 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Sun, Jan 16, 2005 at 11:52:18PM +, Dalibor Topic wrote: Thank you Etienne, but since you are not a copyright holder on either Eclipse or any GPLd, copyrightable part of Kaffe, your opinions on how GPL applies to Kaffe are ... well ... irrelevant. No, they're not. It's the license

Re: GPL and Copyright Law (Was: Eclipse 3.0 Running ILLEGALY on Kaffe)

2005-01-16 Thread Etienne Gagnon
Dalibor Topic wrote: Thank you Etienne, but since you are not a copyright holder on either Eclipse or any GPLd, copyrightable part of Kaffe, your opinions on how GPL applies to Kaffe are ... well ... irrelevant. So, according to such reasoning, you own opinion is irrelevant to the huge parts of

Re: GPL and Copyright Law (Was: Eclipse 3.0 Running ILLEGALY on Kaffe)

2005-01-16 Thread Dalibor Topic
Etienne Gagnon wrote: Dalibor Topic wrote: Thank you Etienne, but since you are not a copyright holder on either Eclipse or any GPLd, copyrightable part of Kaffe, your opinions on how GPL applies to Kaffe are ... well ... irrelevant. So, according to such reasoning, you own opinion is